A Journal Entry

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I just wanted to share my journal entry from my reading this morning. I wish that HRM-ers [Hebrew Roots Movement] could see this: I was just reading in Luke 11:37-54 and I realized something. Toward the end, in verse 52, Jesus ripped the lawyers, because they have taken away the keys of knowledge. I get this idea that they were telling people that because they had all this education and this high station in society, that only they could understand the Law and all its ramifications. Afterwards, it seems to me that they started to argue with Jesus, in verse 54, trying to catch him in a slip-up and a “gotcha” moment.

I’ve had a lot of discussions over the last couple years with people who reject God because of some similar practice: “There is evil, so no God”, or “My prayer didn’t get answered, so no God”, or “God isn’t loving if I can’t do what I want”, or “Christianity is just like every other religion, so why bother with this one”, or dozens of other excuses and justifications. All of them arguments with God trying to catch him in some “gotcha” moment.

But, then in chapter 12:4 and 5, Jesus gives a quick message of the severity of God, then the importance of the life we are given by God. I get this idea that the life of righteousness God desires from us is so big, we can’t possibly get there without help. Even the life we live in private, in darkness, verses 12:1-3, is measured against that standard. How many have said, I’m not getting drunk, not beating my wife, not mistreating my children, not doing some *thing* against God or people? How many have said I read my Bible, I pray, I go to church, I wear a cross, I keep the Law, but do absolutely nothing to tell others about Jesus and the absolute truth of the Gospel. We would rather say “see, I tithe”, or “see, I’m here this Sunday morning in church” or “see, I keep the Sabbath and the Feasts”. It makes the word from Jesus in Matthew 7:15-23 scream at me!

I gotta ask myself, am I living like a Pharisee, holding onto knowledge, instead of looking for opportunities to share the Gospel, to share the truth, to love my neighbor, even at the risk of reprisal from the powers of darkness in this world. I was honestly surprised at how Jesus didn’t just go after false belief and religion in the  Pharisees, but he also went after their blind obedience to the Law.

Jesus himself tells us how he will respond if we trust him and follow him and love him and cherish him and value him above everything else in life. Luke 12:8-12. Confess him before men, share the knowledge of the Gospel, and preach the Good News of the Love and Grace and Mercy of God the Father towards us, Romans 5:8. We cannot be worried about what we can say, because of the Holy Spirit himself, seriously ?!?, God himself through his Spirit, will give us the words to say, in the same moment. All we need to do is to speak up.

This picture is overwhelming. How can I possibly try to lock someone into some church-i-ness, instead of showing them who Christ is, his goodness, his supremacy, his glory. How can anything be more beautiful that the vastness and perfection of Jesus? How can we deserve this perfection, this love, this sacrifice? Oh, the power of the Word of God to show us that even though I am evil and completely undeserving of this love, I am given love, imputed righteousness through the completed work of Christ. That I can and will actually stand before him justified by his perfection.

All this pain, all this hurt, all this loneliness is short lived. It won’t last, there is hope in this storm, in the temptation, in the fight that greater is he that lives in me than he that rules this world. Even the hairs on my head are numbered. The same God that named and numbered the stars (Psalm 147:4) also numbered the hairs on my head! Just trying to wrap my head around that! Oh to see the beauty of Christ. TO know that the same power that raised Christ from the dead LIVES IN ME! Romans 8:11 – 17.

Abba Father! Purge me, make me, mold me into the likeness of Christ. Praise your name above all other names.

This is part of a testimony of someone who came out of the Hebrew Roots Movement, written as an apology and explanation to a friend that she had convinced should become part of HRM. Posted with permission.


I left the BL congregation a couple of months before I moved to the west coast, and I never really looked back.  I had a member call me, and when he found out I was moving, I never heard from any of them again.  The last few times I attended, I had a heaviness I could not explain.  I was crying a lot at home, I was burdened, and I felt confused.  I felt something in my soul urging me to not go back.  Why?  I felt my relationship with Christ was becoming diluted; replaced by the Torah…the SHADOW of what He came to do.  It’s far more profound than that, though.  Do I think Believers should know and understand the Feasts?  Yes.  Should we understand Torah and know its purpose?  Absolutely.  But the doctrine that “We are Israel,” and other ideas are false.

There is such a sense of pride and arrogance with the Hebrew Roots Movement, and in a way, it’s essentially culture idolatry and Torah worship.  It took me a while to be content that I’m a Gentile, to not let that make me feel “less spiritual,” or like a “regular old Christian like the rest of ‘em.”  I went to BL because I was in pain from my Mom’s death and wanted answers.  They told me she was not in Heaven, and would not be until Christ’s Second Coming.  Heresy.  Before, I’d been dissatisfied at my former church. I was jumping from one disappointing  congregation to another.  I think we all do it, as we wrestle with getting to know the Lord, to shut out doubts we have about the world.  But something I noticed at BL after being there a while, is that they twist scripture to their own benefit, to keep this movement going.  That elated feeling I had when I first attended had waned, because I began to see through so many things.  I was given sarcastic, snappy answers sometimes, because the “rabbi” clearly couldn’t explain how the Gospels, the TRUTH in Christ, refuted what he was saying.

I know that there are some doctrinal problems there, but after much praying, seeking, studying, I’ve realized this is universal with Hebrew Roots and their Systematic Theology.  If I ask you anything, it is to forgive me for influencing you in any way.  I have felt bad for quite a while about this, and when you told me your family is divided, I just wanted to get you all on a conference call and apologize.  And I know even recently I’ve said some things that can be construed as in support of it.  Mainly out of confusion and just feeling uneasy about all of it.  My prayer is for forgiveness and that you don’t think of me as double-minded or two-faced.  What the Lord had shown me is the New Covenant is one of grace.  No, it doesn’t mean “do as you wish,” it means as a saved Believer, you’re going to WANT to obey the Lord… Gentiles were not given the Mosaic Law.  (I can see the folks at BL shouting “blasphemy.”)  We know what’s right and wrong, but FAITH and LOVE is what dominates…two things I struggle with and why I floundered into HRM.

BL thrives on pulling people in who are already saved, giving them the idea that Christ is not enough and they must be an “exclusive club that knows things from a Hebraic mindset that ‘the church’ doesn’t.”  The Lord clearly says he hates secrets.  Why would we witness to those already redeemed by HIS blood?  Why would we focus on His race, a covenant not made with the Gentiles, why try (and fail) to learn a difficult, ancient language, when he came for “all nations, tribes and tongues?”  Don’t get me wrong, Hebrew is beautiful and the Lord’s chosen language for the Jewish people.  But He created us Gentiles as an entirely different culture for a reason.

One night, I printed out the laws of the Torah.  My mouth dropped.  There is no way one can be “Torah observant” without (just a few I’ll list here)… stoning an unruly child, stoning adulterers…stoning  those who’ve had sex before marriage, not leaving your dwelling on the Sabbath, etc.  Even driving or studying on the Sabbath is considered “work,” so that’s one that I was breaking, trying to “keep” it.  The Torah was given exclusively to the nation of Israel – the biological Jews – and even THEY couldn’t keep the Law – and some of course were absolutely fanatical about it.  And because of that…we have the whole purpose of Christ’s death and resurrection.  This is one simple truth, the whole POINT of salvation, and I overlooked it, because I felt something was missing from Christianity.  What was missing was MY faith problem and MY poor relationship with Christ because of my own problems.  The way I’d been let down by people and the church had nothing to do with my relationship with the Father through his Son.

That’s another point.  I noticed we at BL went straight to the Father.  They disregarded that Christ said no one can come to the Father except by Him.  Christ was mentioned here and there, sort of like salt and pepper on the “meat,” which was the Torah… (And…do know how long it took for me to be able to call Him “Jesus” without feeling I was calling on the name of a pagan god?)  Again, that was more brainwashing.  I was weak and fell prey to lies.

I realized when the itinerary for the home Shabbat service followed that of BL, I became concerned.  The worship services of the HRM are based on rabbinical tradition, the Talmud and Kabbalah.  All I can say is…Judaism is definitely not Christianity, and when one tries to incorporate a little of one into the other, a bit of what each means is lost.  And that’s more confusion.  I don’t want my relationship with Christ fade even more because of that, especially with the tough times I’m going through right now.  I do want to add that I sat down over a few weeks and read the Gospels, then I read Galatians, more than once.  There’s no way one can reconcile being Torah observant with what Paul writes, without twisting scripture and coming up with a far-out, exaggerated translation.  And believe me, when I asked the rabbi at BL questions about why Galations refutes everything about the Sabbath and keeping Torah, he had the strangest explanations that were so convoluted it was ridiculous.  And sadly, I became suspicious of anything Paul wrote and still have difficulty with things because of the intense influence that I encountered at BL.  They want to be Christians, but Jewish… “just in case.”  And that is a theme that resonates throughout all of the Hebrew Roots Movement and Torah Observance.

Looking back, I see that they are planting a destructive seed that takes the focus off of Christ, and puts it on Laws that were not even given to us, but those who were set-apart to bring Christ’s birth and death to fulfillment.  The key is the focus which IS NOT on the strength, the power, or the salvation which is CHRIST, as it should be.  The Gospels, of course, focusing on the person of Christ, and the rest of the New Testament focusing on our purpose in Him.  I think the Lord can use the HRM for his Glory, like he used the Jews’ short-sightedness to His Glory.  I believe I was allowed to get involved to show me how we all want some type of “exclusivity,” a sort of “us” vs. “them.”  But the Gospel is inclusive, not an exclusive club.  And even though I know the home services don’t operate like that, the foundation is the worship style at BL, and that’s the agenda.

We now have the freedom to choose to celebrate the feasts, to choose to adhere to the dietary laws, but we are not obligated, because of the sacrifice Christ made.  Before going to BL, I never let the Gospels and what Paul said sink in.  I was just restless with “church.”  But it has gotten to the point…I realized I either need to believe the Gospels, the words of my Savior and of Paul, or focus solely on the study guide/tutor (Torah) and neglect the entire purpose of Christ’s finished work.

I hope and I pray that this makes sense, and again, I ask that you forgive me for the influence I had in leading you to look into HRM.  I didn’t even know it was called that.  They were very careful at BL to not “label” anything.  But the whole idea that all things Christian are pagan…well, again I will tell you the Talmud and Kabbalah, which is where their worship styles, Bible interpretations, and doctrines come from, are more pagan than most things you’ve ever seen.  I do hope this does not in any way affect our friendship.  And yes, I was so happy to share my newfound knowledge with you back then.  That was before I was confronted with the heresies that began surfacing very quickly once I dug deeper into it.  At the end of the day, it’s all about what the Son did for us, why, and what that accomplished for the world.  And thank the Lord for that!


~ Posted with permission by author

What do the feasts of Israel celebrate, and what does the Bible teach about Jesus? Please note the important
word NOW.

Passover: Israel was to sacrifice a lamb for sin and eat it before being delivered from Egypt. (However it was a shadow of Jesus and pointed to Jesus being our Passover Lamb). Notice how Israel focuses on an animals and Egypt, not on what God did through Jesus?

Exo 12:21 KJV Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them, Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the passover.

Exo 3:8 KJV And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians…

Jesus fulfilled Passover by being our Passover Lamb:

Joh 1:36 KJV And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

1Co 5:7 KJV …For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

Jesus was our Passover Lamb sacrificed during Passover:

Joh 19:14-18 KJV And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! [15] But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. [16] Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away. [17] And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha: [18] Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.

God delivered us not out of the land of Egypt, but into the Kingdom of His dear Son. Jesus delivered us from the wrath to come, and we are delivered from the law, so we may serve in newness of life!

Col 1:13 KJV Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

1Th 1:10 KJV And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Rom 7:6 KJV But NOW we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Unleavened bread: Israel was to eat the unleavened bread in a hurry and remember leaving Egypt. (However it was a shadow of Jesus and pointed to Jesus being our Bread of Life). Notice how Israel was to remember Egypt, not what God did through Jesus Christ, and Him being our Bread of Life?

Deu 16:3-4 KJV Thou shalt eat no leavened bread with it; seven days shalt thou eat unleavened bread therewith, even the bread of affliction; for thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt in haste: that thou mayest remember the day when thou camest forth out of the land of Egypt all the days of thy life. [4] And there shall be no leavened bread seen with thee in all thy coast seven days; neither shall there any thing of the flesh, which thou sacrificedst the first day at even, remain all night until the morning.

NOW we purge out the old leaven, and we are to be unleavened ourselves. It is NOW an issue of the heart (malice and wickedness, sincerity and truth, not an issue of food).

1Co 5: 7-8 KJV [7] Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: [8] Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

In the New Testament, we are never told to not eat any leavened bread. Leaven is always described as an attitude of the heart, (NOT bread). Jesus mentioned it mostly regarding the Pharisees and Sadducees. He told His disciples not to beware of the leaven of bread, but in essence wrong doctrine.

Mat 16:11-12 KJV How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? [12] Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Israel also ate Manna (Bread) from God:

[Exo 16:15 KJV] And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the LORD hath given you to eat.

NOW Jesus is the Bread of God and is also our bread of Life:

[Joh 6:33 KJV] For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

[Joh 6:35 KJV] And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

[Joh 6:48 KJV] I am that bread of life.

[Joh 6:51 KJV] I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. [Joh 6:35 KJV] And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

NOW we are to eat His body and blood and do it in remembrance of Him as He tells us to do during His Last Supper (communion). We are to remember Jesus NOW, not Israel leaving Egypt!

[Luk 22:19 KJV] And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [Luk 22:20 KJV] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

1Co 11:23-28 KJV For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: [24] And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. [25] After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. [26] For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord’s death till he come. [27] Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. [28] But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

[1Co 10:16 KJV] The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

Firstfruits: Israel was to bring the firstfruits of their labor. (However it was a shadow of Jesus and pointed to Jesus being our First fruit). Notice how it is their labor, not what God did through Jesus and His resurrection?

Exo 23:16 KJV And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering, which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field.

Lev 23:10 KJV Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:

NOW Jesus is the firstfruit by rising from the dead:

[1Co 15:20 KJV] But NOW is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

NOW we have the first fruits of God’s Spirit:

[Rom 8:23 KJV] And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

NOW we are the firstfruits of His creatures:

[Jas 1:18 KJV] Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
• Pentecost: Israel was to count 50 days after Passover and then give God offerings and thankfulness for their labor and harvest. (However it was a shadow of Jesus and pointed to Jesus and God giving us His Spirit on Pentecost. We are NOW His harvest). Notice how it is their labor, not what God did through Jesus?)

Lev 23:15-16 KJV And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete: [16] Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

[Exo 23:16 KJV] And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering, which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field.

Pentecost: NOW Jesus and Pentecost is the celebration of God baptizing us with His Spirit after 50 days (Again, we are His harvest). God does this. It is NOT our labor!

[Mar 1:8 KJV] I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.

[Joh 1:33 KJV] And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

Joh 7:38-39 KJV He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. [39] (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Act 1:5 KJV For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

Act 2:1-4 KJV And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. [2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. [3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. [4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Trumpets [Yom Teruah]: Israel was to blow the trumpet as a memorial and over its burnt offering and sacrifices: (However it was a shadow of Jesus and pointed to Jesus). Notice how it focused on their offerings and sacrifices, not what God did through Jesus coming into the world and offering Himself as a sacrifice?

[Lev 23:24 KJV] Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.

[Num 10:10 KJV] Also in the day of your gladness, and in your solemn days, and in the beginnings of your months, ye shall blow with the trumpets over your burnt offerings, and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings; that they may be to you for a memorial before your God: I am the LORD your God.

Trumpets can mean different things like clamor, that is, acclamation of joy, jubile, loud noise, rejoicing

From H7321; clamor, that is, acclamation of joy or a battle cry; especially clangor of trumpets, as an alarum: – alarm, blow (-ing) (of, the) (trumpets), joy, jubile, loud noise, rejoicing, shout (-ing), (high, joyful) sound (-ing).

Below are many incidents that show the trumpeting of Jesus when He came to the earth the first time. The angels heralded (trumpeted) Jesus (with acclamation of joy) at His birth. They praised God over Jesus (our sacrifice) and the goodwill God had towards man. There was great rejoicing and glory to God!

Luk 2:9-14 KJV And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. [10] And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. [11] For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. [12] And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. [13] And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, [14] Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
John the Baptist also was a form of a trumpet (acclamation of joy) for Jesus, our sacrifice, the Lamb of God. He was the voice that trumpeted the good news of Jesus, so people could rejoice. He pointed people to Jesus who was to be the sacrifice for the world.

[Joh 1:23 KJV] He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.

[Joh 1:29 KJV] The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

It was prophesied that Jesus would come, we were told fear not, daughter of Sion, your King comes, as Jesus came on the donkey! The people heralded (trumpeted) Jesus (with acclamation of joy) as He came and they went to meet Him with palm branches.

Joh 12:12-16 KJV On the next day much people that were come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, [13] Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord. [14] And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written, [15] Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass’s colt. [16] These things understood not his disciples at the first: but when Jesus was glorified, then remembered they that these things were written of him, and that they had done these things unto him.

This is important because we see Israel, in the Old Covenant, was told to come to Mount Sinai at the sound of the trumpet to meet God on the third day.

Exo 19:11 KJV And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.

Exo 19:13-17 KJV There shall not an hand touch it, but he shall surely be stoned, or shot through; whether it be beast or man, it shall not live: when the trumpet soundeth long, they shall come up to the mount. [14] And Moses went down from the mount unto the people, and sanctified the people; and they washed their clothes. [15] And he said unto the people, Be ready against the third day: come not at your wives. [16] And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled. [17] And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount.

However, in the New Covenant Jesus told his disciples that He would rise on the third day.

Luk 9:22 KJV Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.

Then on the third day the LORD Jesus came to people. The world would meet their God raised on the Third day! Jesus came to meet His people and opened up their understanding into the Scriptures and Himself.

Luk 24:45-46 KJV Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, [46] And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

NOW instead of Mount Sinai where Israel met God at the sound of a trumpet, We come to Mt Zion to meet Jesus:

Heb 12:18-22 KJV For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, [19] And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: [20] (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: [21] And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:) [22] But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

The Apostle John was the first to hear a trumpet after Jesus’ resurrection, proclaiming Who He is and what must be:

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last…

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

Day of Atonement [Yom Kippur]: Aaron and his sons were to offer a bullock for a sin offering for atonement for Israel. (However it was a shadow of Jesus and pointed to Jesus alone as our atonement, once for all). Notice how it focuses on continual yearly sacrifices and not what God did through Jesus?

Exo 29:35-36 KJV And thus shalt thou do unto Aaron, and to his sons, according to all things which I have commanded thee: seven days shalt thou consecrate them. [36] And thou shalt offer every day a bullock for a sin offering for atonement: and thou shalt cleanse the altar, when thou hast made an atonement for it, and thou shalt anoint it, to sanctify it.

Lev 16:30 KJV For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD.

[2Ch 29:24 KJV] And the priests killed them, and they made reconciliation with their blood upon the altar, to make an atonement for all Israel: for the king commanded that the burnt offering and the sin offering should be made for all Israel.

NOW we have already received atonement the Bible says. It is not a future date:

Rom 5:11 KJV And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have NOW received the atonement.

Heb 10:7-10 KJV Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. [8] Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; [9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. [10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Heb 10:17-23 KJV And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. [18] NOW where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. [19] Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, [20] By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; [21] And having an high priest over the house of God; [22] Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. [23] Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)

Aaron was to lay his hands on the sacrifice and confess and put them on the goats head.

Lev 16:21-22 KJV [21] And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: [22] And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.

God laid the iniquity on Jesus – He is the atonement Who already came. It is not a future date. God is satisfied it says.

Isa 53:6 KJV All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all… Isa 53:11 KJV He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Aaron was the high priest

Exo 28:1 KJV And take thou unto thee Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him, from among the children of Israel, that he may minister unto me in the priest’s office, even Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, Eleazar and Ithamar, Aaron’s sons.

NOW Jesus is our High Priest

Heb 9:11-12 KJV But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; [12] Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Tabernacles [Sukkot]: Israel was to remember that they were bondmen in Egypt and they were to dwell in booths. (However it was a shadow of Jesus and pointed to Jesus as the Tabernacle. NOW He sets us FREE and He is our Tabernacle, not a booth, cottage, covert, pavilion, tabernacle, tent made with hands). Notice how Israel was to remember when they were bondmen in Egypt? This is not remembering what God did through Jesus Christ and that we live in Him and He in us all the time and He set us free.)

Deu 16:12-13 KJV And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in Egypt: and thou shalt observe and do these statutes. [13] Thou shalt observe the feast of tabernacles seven days, after that thou hast gathered in thy corn and thy wine:

Neh 8:14 KJV And they found written in the law which the LORD had commanded by Moses, that the children of Israel should dwell in booths in the feast of the seventh month:

Feminine of H5520; a hut or lair: – booth, cottage, covert, pavilion, tabernacle, tent.

Jesus fulfilled the Feast of Tabernacles by Tabernacling with us: It was first prophesied that He would:

Mat 1:23 KJV Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Jesus went to the Jews feast of tabernacles and called people to HIM, not a booth. He said if they thirst to come to Him and drink.

Joh 7:2 KJV Now the Jews’ feast of tabernacles was at hand and

Joh 7:37 KJV In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

He is the true and more perfect Tabernacle that God pitched, and He made the way into the holiest of all.

Heb 8:2 KJV A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

Heb 9:8 KJV The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

Heb 9:11 KJV But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

He sets us free, we are not bondmen like Israel was. We are to remember He set us free to follow Him.

Joh 8:36 KJV If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Now Christ is IN us the Hope of glory:

Col 1:27 KJV To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

We are IN Christ:

Rom 8:1 KJV There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom 12:5 KJV So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

1Co 15:22 KJV For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Act 17:28 KJV For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
We are NOW new creations, by being in Christ. He Tabernacles with us and us with Him. He makes all things NEW!

2Co 5:17 KJV Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

All the Feasts had sacrifices offered – See Lev 23. Sometimes double sacrifices – Lev 16:8 (one for the Lord and the other the scapegoat).

The various sacrifices were offered at the Tabernacle and then the Temple:

[Lev 1:3 KJV] If his offering be a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish: he shall offer it of his own voluntary will at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD.

1Ch 16:1 So they brought the ark of God, and set it in the midst of the tent that David had pitched for it: and they offered burnt sacrifices and peace offerings before God.

2Ch 7:4 Then the king and all the people offered sacrifices before the LORD. 2Ch 7:5 And king Solomon offered a sacrifice of twenty and two thousand oxen, and an hundred and twenty thousand sheep: so the king and all the people dedicated the house of God.

Jesus said He didn’t want sacrifices anymore, He wanted repentance:

Mat 9:13 KJV But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Then He Jesus gave Himself as our final sacrifice:

Heb 7:27 KJV Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

Heb 9:26 KJV For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but NOW once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Heb 10:12 KJV But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

Jesus said He is greater than the Temple:

[Mat 12:6 KJV] But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.

Jesus preached the gospel in the Temple:

[Luk 20:1 KJV] And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,

As He left the Temple he told His disciples not one stone would be left upon another.

[Mat 24:1 KJV] And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. [Mat 24:2 KJV] And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

The veil in the Temple was rent when Jesus died:

[Mar 15:38 KJV] And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.

In AD 70 the Temple was destroyed as Jesus said above. The Temple was destroyed. That was where Israel offered the sacrifices and kept the Feasts. NOW we are in Christ. He is the Temple and we are His temples. We don’t do sacrifices anymore or celebrate the Feasts of Israel. We celebrate Jesus and what He did for us. We remember Him, not Egypt.

[1Co 3:16 KJV] know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

[1Co 6:19 KJV] What? Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
The Feasts were celebrated first in the Tabernacle and then in the Temple. Three times a year men from Israel were to go to Jerusalem for the Feasts.

Deu 16:16 KJV Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the LORD empty:

No one who keeps the Feasts now a days goes to Jerusalem anymore. Why? Because there is no Tabernacle or Temple to go to. The Tabernacle is “no more” and since 70 AD there has been no Temple.

There are no more sacrifices to be made and people don’t go to the Temple anymore, since Jesus said it would be destroyed and He would be our Temple. Likewise since Jesus fulfilled the Feasts and there is no Temple to go to anymore where the Feast were done with the sacrifices, we celebrate Jesus now and remember what He has done for us. We do not tell remember or tell people what God did for Israel. We are to be ministers of the New Covenant and Ambassadors for Christ. We are to speak about the Gospel.

2Co 3:6 KJV Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Eph 6:19-20 KJV And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, [20] For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

We are also to walk in love NOW, as Jesus loved us and gave Himself as a sacrifice for us:

Eph 5:2 KJV And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

We are to present our bodies as living sacrifices NOW, so we can have our minds renewed and prove what is the will of God.

Rom 12:1-2 KJV I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. [2] And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

We are to offer sacrifices of praise to God NOW:

Heb 13:15 KJV By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.

We are to celebrate Jesus and love one another. The old is gone the new is come!

2Co 5:17 KJV Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

And we serve in Newness of life. Everything is NEW!!! Jesus fulfilled the Feasts as we saw. They all pointed to Him and were fulfilled while He was on the earth as the Bible shows. We are to take communion now in remembrance of Him (not remember Egypt and Israel). We are to walk in newness of life and can by doing the following:

Rom 6:4 KJV Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

He shows us in the New Covenant how to draw near to Him and worship Him NOW. It is completely different from how the Jews did, by going to Jerusalem to the Temple and to the Feasts. We don’t do that anymore, but we worship Him daily in spirit and in Truth! It must be the truth.

Jesus told the lady in Samaria that people wouldn’t need to go to Jerusalem to worship God anymore. He was showing how things were changing under Him. He is the New and living way! She said… “Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.” “Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.” He said “But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.” God wants us to worship Him in spirit, but also in TRUTH. We must find the TRUTH so we can worship God correctly. See complete text below:

Joh 4:10-24 KJV Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. [11] The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? [12] Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? [13] Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: [14] But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. [15] The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw. [16] Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither. [17] The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: [18] For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly. [19] The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. [20] Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. [21] Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. [22] Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. [23] But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. [24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

We are to Now serve one another in love, not remember and do what Israel did. The old is gone the new is come!

Gal 5:13 KJV For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

We are to walk in the Light as He is the light. It was even told to us in Isaiah that we are to walk in the light of the Lord.

Isa 2:5 KJV O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.

Jesus is the Light. We are to walk in Him.

Joh 8:12 KJV Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Joh 11:9 KJV Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

Joh 12:35 KJV Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.

Eph 5:8 KJV For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

1Jn 1:7 KJV But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Jesus is the Light. We need to come to Him and walk in the light of the New Covenant God gave us through Him, so we wont walk in darkness and stumble! The Lamb is the Light!

Rev 21:23-24 KJV And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. [24] And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

It is all about Him NOW! If we lift Him up (not Israel or what happened in Egypt) He will draw all men to HIM. Notice in the Feasts above how Israel was to remember Egypt, not what God did through Jesus Christ. Jesus said “It is finished”. I pray it is clear that celebrating the Feasts remembers Israel and Egypt, not Jesus Christ and what He did as revealed in the New Covenant verses above.

See how Jesus said we need to lift Him up (Not Moses, Israel or what happened in Egypt)?

Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

Joh 8:28 KJV Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

Joh 12:32 KJV And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Then He can give us NEWNESS of LIFE! Life is in the Son! There is Hope for a good new life!

Joh 14:6 KJV Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

We can only get Light and Life as we come to Jesus (not Moses, Israel or by remembering what happened in Egypt). Once people come to Jesus, they want to celebrate Him and remember Him🙂

*** Published with permission


The Voice: Who Are You Listening To?

“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared with a hot iron…” I Timothy 4:1& 2

Many are hearing a voice today that they believe is God. This voice comes as a “still small voice”, an audible voice, an “inner” voice, or a feeling/impression that is referred to as God’s voice or the voice of the Holy Spirit.

For some, the voice comes out of “nowhere”. They just hear it in an almost audible, but rather “inner” capacity. Some refer to it as “in their spirit”. For many others, the hearing of this voice comes through a learned system and practice/meditation in order to be trained to hear the voice. Are these voices, God, or something else?

What if the voice tells you one thing, but tells someone else the opposite relating to the same thing? Or what if the voice predicts something but it does not come true? Does that make the voice false? Can it really be God?

The defining “test” that is given by those who hear the voice is that the voice, if it is of God, does not contradict Scripture. Is this a fair “test”? How does one define if the voice is contradicting Scripture or not? Are there guidelines for knowing how to measure it? Can someone be in error even if the voice does not contradict Scripture? If what the voice says can be found in Scripture, then what is the point of the voice? What about when satan tempted Jesus Christ? Did he not quote Scripture? Was it validly applied? What about Eve? She heard the voice of God, yet satan tricked her subtlety by repeating almost what God said in question form with a subtle twist. Can we be tricked as well? “The heart is deceitful above all else . . ., Jeremiah 17:9 tells us. Are we really only hearing what we want to hear and the inner “voice” complies?

What is the huge push to hear the voice of God that people pursue it with such fervor, as if God will be obedient to man’s ploys and pleadings? Where does this concept come from and who is teaching it that the mass of Christianity is clawing to hear a voice and experience “God” in a deeper, ethereal, ultra spiritual way? Does the Holy Spirit need to “speak verbally” in order for us to know what God wants of us and to “lead and guide us into all truth”? Do we really need the kind of direction that is so heavily promoted by the teachers of this greater truth – that any Christian can actually hear God’s voice and must hear it to know Him and His will?

There appears to be two venues through which this teaching comes. One is the Faith Movement – perhaps better known as the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement including the Assemblies of God, Four Square Gospel, Full Gospel, Apostolic, Latter Rain, Prophetic Movement, Dominion Movement, Kingdom Now Movement, etc churches and denominations. The other is through the contemplative movement which has been introduced to Christianity at large, although the Faith Movement is also contemplative in its foundational groundings.

Both venues are based in the same mysticism which can be traced back to “ancient mystics” – nuns, priests, and monks who believed and practiced meditation rights and liturgies to “find God”. This also included mazes and labyrinths, etc. The emergent church movement openly teaches this kind of “meditation”, while the Faith movement hides this mysticism in the practice of the “manifestations of the Holy Spirit” as the “gifts of the Holy Spirit”. These practices cross back and forth between the two venues, but are brought to fruition from a little different perspective. The results are the same: the need to hear the voice.

What is the appeal to hear the voice? I believe it comes through the desire to reach into a “deep” place where God is supposedly found, outside of our rationale and into a spiritual realm that is beyond human understanding. Because of my past personal experience with the voice, I found the following explanation most interesting and revealing, and immediately related to it:

Quote [with the author’s permission – Gary Gilley]:

“The journey to mystical experience, almost universally, involves three stages: purgation, illumination and union.”

“Purgation is the cleansing stage which begins with self-examination and penitence and leads to a holy life … and involves detachment from the things of the world including material and physical desires; and mortification, the building of new paths to replace the old ones now rejected.”

“The illumination stage is when the mystic begins to experience inner voices and visions. The goal of illumination is to know genuine spiritual truth, but such truth cannot be found in conventional or even rational ways … and feel their thoughts and mental impressions can be explained as the inner voice of God. The true mystic has come to the conclusion that the secret and “deep” things of God cannot be understood rationally. They can only be understood through the experience of illumination. The means by which mystics achieved illumination was through fasting, long seasons of specialized prayers known as contemplative prayers and by following various spiritual disciplines of which the best known today were designed by the Catholic monk and founder of the Jesuits, Ignatius Loyola. As we will see later, it is upon Ignatius’ “Spiritual Exercises” that Richard Foster patterns his famous book, The Celebration of Discipline [Mr. Foster also promotes the “dark night of the soul” that was first noted by John of the Cross during the 16th century] .

“The ultimate goal of the mystic is unmediated union with God. This point, at which the soul attains oneness with God … The ancient mystics would frame this experience in romantic, even sensual terms. John of the Cross “describes the union in terms of spiritual betrothal, where the soul, conceived of as feminine, is married to Christ as the bridegroom. Bernard of Clairvaux (12th-century), who managed to turn the Song of Solomon into an erotic love story between God and man, described this moment of union as the time when the believer is “kissed with the kisses of His mouth.”[10] Similar depictions are common in mystical literature.”

“In other words, the mystic has no confidence in human knowledge accessible through normal means such as the propositional revelation of God (Scripture). If we are to know God, it must come from a mystical union with Him that transcends the rational thought process or even normal sensory experience. This takes place through [the above] three stages of purgation, illumination and union; implementing the spiritual disciplines and most importantly, practicing contemplative prayer.” 1


That mystical system is the base through which all teachings and literature pertains to the practice of meditative processing to hear the voice of God as it was done in ancient times of the past, and how it is applied today.

Although there seems to be a group of people who hear the voice without the meditative process [as I experienced at first], I believe that the “spirit of the thing” is the same. It is still a desire to hear God physically so that one feels nearer to God. From my perspective that presents two overall issues across the board. First of all, lack of faith that God can lead and direct us without special revelation or that He needs to interact with us experientially through a voice and secondly, that the Scriptures are not preeminent, but supplemental to the voice.

Going back into church history, the writings of the great mystics of the Catholic Church are now being offered as “new” and “spiritual” compared to the “dryness” of the church at large. It is this push to revive the “ancients” as having a better perspective that has appealed to people, as a multitude of modern day “gurus” are pushing something that is centuries old. As Solomon said, “The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun (Ecclesiastes 1:9).

What is this “new” mystical approach to God? Quoting again from Gary Gilley’s article:

“Roman Catholic monk, William Johnston describes the mystical process this way, ‘In this mystical life one passes from one layer to the next in an inner or downward journey to the core of the personality where dwells the great mystery called God.’[12]
“Other well-known mystics, holding to these or similar views, throughout church history include: Meister Eckhart, Juliana of Norwich, Thomas à Kempis, Teresa of Ávila, Evelyn Underhill, St. Francis of Assisi, Madam Guyon, George Fox, Thomas Merton and Agnes Sanford. Modern mystics of import include Dallas Willard, Brennan Manning and most importantly, Richard Foster . . . As a result classical, Medieval Roman Catholic mysticism has been dusted off and offered as the newest and best thing in spirituality.” 2

I would also add to the list Brother Lawrence’s “Practicing the Presence of God” (1600s) and Hanna Whithall Smith’s “The Christian’s Secret of a Happy Life” (1875). Brother Lawrence was a monk who believed one must practice the presence of God 24/7. Hanna Smith was part of the holiness movement and believed one could reach sinless perfection [the Holiness Movement which held this main theology and is still taught in much of the Charismatic venue]. Both books are extensively used within the Christian community and Charismatic specifically.

If this mystic contemplative approach to hear God’s voice is correct, then where is it found in the Bible? Did God miss the opportunity to show us a better way to hear from Him? Why would He trust Catholic mystic ancients with this “hidden” truth and then suddenly spring it on us at this late date as an afterthought of truth?

The Scriptures tell us something different in many texts. Here is an example:
2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Who is teaching this “ancient” mystical process to hear God’s voice currently?

These quotes from teachers in many Christian venues across the scope of “normative Christianity”, as well as the Faith Movement, show the pattern. Also included are some of the “ancient mystics” so you can see for yourself how intertwined these teachings are.

Richard J Foster [Quaker; Renovare`; Celebration of Discipline, a book about how to mystically meditate on God by using the contemplative prayer process]

Rick Warren [Saddleback Church (Emergent); Purpose Driven Life teachings]
From his article: Receiving Guidance From God – Learning to Hear God’s Voice – Part 4 of 4 [my comments within the starred portions *]:

“”The fact is God does speak to people today. We’ve been looking in this series about Learning to Hear God’s Voice . . . God is more willing to talk to you than you are willing to talk to Him.
“I’m going to get alone, get off by myself, eliminate external distractions so I can hear God speak. Find a quiet place alone . . . One of the reasons why you don’t hear God speak to you more is because you are surrounded by noise . . . So you can’t hear the still small voice of God . . . Get alone, removing every external distraction possible . . . You need to quiet yourself down . . . Hurry is the death of prayer . . . When your mind starts moving from subject to subject you can’t hear God . . . I just stop and write it down and go back, pray some more and something else comes up, I stop and I write it down . . . The next voice you usually hear is your conscious . . . That is not the voice of God . . . He wants to love you . . . Relax your body . . . Wait in silence . . . God speaks to people who take the time to listen . . . put on a praise tape, some slow Christian music . . . Once your body is still and once your mind is quiet then you become sensitive to hearing God speak. Inner calm opens the intercom to God and you can hear Him.”

***At this point Rick interjects this argument:*** “Some of you are saying, this sounds like TM — transcendental meditation. It’s the exact opposite of transcendental meditation [TM]. TM and humanist meditation says you want to make your mind go blank. That’s the goal of it. The goal of prayer is not to make your mind go blank. The goal of prayer is to hear — tune in — to the voice of God so you can talk to Him and He can talk to you. Withdraw and then wait.” — *** What Rick has described is exactly “TM”. Quieting your mind is TM. The point, as Rick shows, is to empty your mind of thoughts and concentrate on God in order to allow Him to speak, this is a form of “TM”.***

Continuing with his “instructions”:

” . . . God often wants to speak through a mental picture . . . It’s the primary way God contacts people — through impressions in your mind. He gives you a mental picture or image or vision inside your head . . . This is the number one way God speaks to people, by giving them a mental picture . . . Some of you are saying, “I thought visualizing was New Age.” [*** that’s because it is!!! > > > ***] . . . You can develop the ability to see with your spiritual eyes if you’ll practice and let God work on it in your life. You can train yourself . . . “Jesus, is there anything You want to show me? Do You want to give me an idea, an impression?” . . . Many of you, your prayer life has got in a rut — . . . and a routine . . . Write out your prayers as you think them . . .You ask, Is it ok to write while you’re praying? Of course. How do you think we got the Bible? . . . godly men and women were praying and talking to God and when God talked back to them, they wrote it down [*** They didn’t pray and then write down whatever came to mind!!! And no women authored any book of the Bible!!***] . . . The Bible says real clearly that not very idea you get is from God. Some of them are from the devil [***???***] . . . but you don’t want to go testing and analyzing your prayers while you’re praying. That ruins the whole spirit of the thing. So you just pray and receive what God wants to say to you, you write it down, and later you can go back and test it and look at it . . . When you have received God’s loving response, you’ve asked a question and you’ve heard an answer in your mind and you write it down, it’s going to make you want to love the Lord more and draw you closer. This turns prayer from a monologue into a dialogue, a conversation . . . If you’ll practice these and begin to develop them in your life, more times than not, God will talk to you.”

*** Rick was bored with prayer before he took a mystic approach:*** “I was bored to death with prayer until I learned how to do this. It was like talking to a brick wall. I never expected an answer. I never expected to hear from God. It was just me talking. It didn’t matter if anyone was there or not. I don’t like to just talk to myself. But once I realized that God does want to have a conversation with me — we talk about Jesus wanting to have a relationships, you can’t have a relationship without people talking. If you do all the talking, you don’t have a relationship. But you’ve got to take these steps and make time.”

Charles Stanley [First Baptist Church Atlanta; TV/website: In Touch Ministries] quotes: “The essence of meditation is a period of time set aside to contemplate the Lord, listen to Him, and allow Him to permeate our spirits.” . . . “Since God knows our future, our personalities, and our capacity to listen, He isn’t ever going to say more to us than we can deal with at the moment.”

Billy Graham [Southern Baptist Church; Billy Graham Evangelistic Association]

Endorses Loren Cunningham’s Book, Is That Really You, God?: Hearing the Voice of God . Product description: “This practical guide to hearing God’s voice shows how an ordinary man who committed to hearing God and obeying Him . . .”

Promotes Henry Blackaby’s book, Listening for the Voice of God. Product description: “Few of us have the option of direct conversation with God as Moses did. God speaks to each of us in ways that are personal and unique. “Ordinary” people who are ready to listen are sometimes led to do “extraordinary” things. Gain valuable insight on ways to “hear” and discern God’s voice, identify ways He speaks and respond to revelations of His will.”

David Wilkerson [Times Square Church (Charismatic, Prophetic); Cross and the Switchblade; Hungry for More of Jesus: Experiencing His Presence in These Troubled Times]
From his article: “Hearing the Voice of God!” October 17, 1988

“One of the greatest blessings a true believer has is to hear and know the voice of God. It is possible to hear God’s voice today as certainly and clearly as did Abraham and Moses – as clearly as did Samuel and David – as clearly as did Paul, Peter, the apostles, and John on the isle of Patmos! God has promised to make His voice clearly known for one last time during these end days . . . God is going to bring together a holy, separated remnant into spiritual Zion and make His voice known to them.”

“God speaks to them clearly and certainly, and they live by His voice! They are directed by His voice, comforted by His voice, guided in all things by His voice! This is the one great characteristic of a holy people: They are not mistaken about God’s voice. They know it – they hear it – they are governed by it. It is sure, steadfast, and unmistakable!”

“God’s voice is heard only by those shut up with Him is secret prayer. God is very careful to whom He speaks. It is only to those who value His voice so much they shut the whole world out to get alone and wait for Him.”

” . . . unless it [voice] was born in the secret closet, out of a deep communion, a broken spirit, and much time spent alone in His presence. I am convinced that all God’s people would be able to hear His still, small voice if they simply would lay down sin, idols, and would get shut in with Him alone – and not leave until He speaks!”

IHOP [International House of Prayer/Kansas City Prophets][Charismatic/Word of Faith]

Taken from their website: Practical Prophetic Hearing Intensive (March 11–13, 2010)

Quote: “Do you long to hear God’s voice? Can you discern the Lord’s voice from other voices? Do you need to learn how to receive guidance from Him? This three-day retreat will give you practical ways to develop an ear to hear His voice in the midst of busy, everyday life. Attendees will receive a workbook of prayer tools designed to be personalized for individual needs. Each attendee will also receive the book, Marketplace Christianity.

Topics covered include:
• 17 Ways to Hear God
• Hindrances to Hearing God
• Understanding How the Prophetic Works
• How to Process the Prophetic
• Discerning God’s Voice
• Supernatural Wisdom ”

Cindy Jacobs [Charismatic/Word of Faith; Prophet] Book: Voice of God: How God Speaks Personally and Corporately to His Children Today. Product description: ” The first half of the book concentrates on the individual: learning to hear the voice of God, preparation for the prophetic gifts, prayer and devotional life;”

Becky Tirabassi [Rock Harbor Church (Emergent); Ministry: Change Your Life]
Bestselling author of Let Prayer Change Your Life] Product description: Becky Tirabassi shares that it really is possible to hear from God. Most Christians long for a closer connection with God–to talk to Him and hear His voice. They believe He wants to guide their lives, but get discouraged when He seems far away and silent. Becky Tirabassi encourages readers that God wants to talk to them, and shows them how to recognize His voice. She invites readers to connect with God in a two-way conversation that will satisfy the longing of their souls to know Him and be loved by Him.
William Branham [Charismatic/Pentecostal Preacher/Healer] “That if we would pray and pray until our soul comes into the Presence of God, and then just relax and listen to His voice . . . Men and women who will hear the voice of God, God still waits to speak to every individual that’ll open their ears to hear God’s voice . . . Jesus Christ is still willing to speak that still small voice to anybody that’ll listen for Him. He’s still ready to do it if we’d just quieten ourself.”

Thelma Wells [Lancaster First Baptist Church; Ministry/Website: A Woman of God Ministries; featured on the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association’s international television special during the month of January 2007] quote: “by spending time praying to Him; by spending time praising Him and asking Him to speak to us. Then, we need to listen. God’s voice is seldom loud or interfering. His voice is quiet, simple, to the point and few words . . . You’ll know it is His voice because you will have a sense of peace that comforts you, the power of confidence that builds you up and a depth of joy that seems unreal to the human spirit but so real to your inner-person.

Thomas a` Kempis [Catholic Monk -1380-1471AD; book: Of The Imitation of Christ]

Product description from the back cover: “The Joy of Being Like Christ [headline]As Thomas Kempis, a serene and devoted man of God, walked in the Lord’s presence, he discovered priceless steps to becoming more like Christ daily. In ‘Of the Imitation of Christ’, which has been translated into more languages than any other book except the Bible, the author presents timeless principles for living the Christian life, including how to: * Hear God’s voice* Turn adversity to good* Overcome temptation* Have perfect love* Find lasting peace*. As you read this great Christian classic, you will join the millions of believers who have been inspired to become imitators of Christ.”

Dallas Willard [The Divine Conspiracy: Rediscovering Our Hidden Life in God – received Christianity Today’s “Book of the Year” award, 1999; Hearing God: Developing a Conversational Relationship With God ] product description, Hearing God: “Being close to God means communicating with him, and this communication is a two-way street—telling him what is on our hearts in prayer and hearing and understanding what he is saying to us . . . Hearing God is but one dimension of a richly interactive relationship, and obtaining guidance is but one facet of hearing God . . . provides rich spiritual insight into how we can hear God’s voice clearly . . . becoming a responsible co-laborer with Him . . . walking so closely with him that it becomes easy to know his mind and hear his voice . . . Dr. Willard’s hope is that Hearing God will leave you with a clear sense of how to live confidently in a personal walk that is complemented by an ongoing conversational relationship with God.”

A.W. Tozer [Alliance Church; Pursuit of God and 56 other volumes] misc quotes:
“. . .The free man who has learned to hear God’s voice and dared to obey it has felt the moral burden that broke the hearts of the Old Testament prophets, crushed the soul of our Lord Jesus Christ and wrung streams of tears from the eyes of the apostles.”
“The Voice of God is a friendly Voice. No one need fear to listen to it unless he has already made up his mind to resist it… Whoever will listen will hear the speaking Heaven”.
“The only condition is that we get still enough to hear his voice and that we believe and heed what we hear . . .”

Jack Deere [Presbyterian Pastor but actually is Charismatic; former Dallas Theological Seminary (emergent) professor, now conference speaker and author] various quotes:
“In order to fulfill God’s highest purposes for our lives we must be able to hear his voice both in the written word and in the word freshly spoken from heaven. . . Satan understands the strategic importance of Christians hearing God’s voice so he has launched various attacks against us in this area. One of his most successful attacks has been to develop a doctrine that teaches God no longer speaks to us except through the written word. Ultimately, this doctrine is demonic even [though] Christian theologians have been used to perfect it.”

“God can and does give personal words of direction to believers today that cannot be found in the Bible. I do not believe that he gives direction that contradicts the Bible, but direction that cannot be found in the Bible.”

“God spoke to his children … in an audible voice . . .”

Surprised by the Voice of God – Product description: “. . . shatters the myth that God speaks today solely through the Scriptures. Jack Deere first shows the variety of ways God communicated to first-century Christians. Then he reveals why God continues to speak to us using those same methods.

Finally, Jack tells how to accurately hear God speak through prophecies, dreams, visions, and other forms of divine communication.”

Watchman Nee [House Church Movement; Converted from Buddhism which “bleeds” through his work (concepts like the inner light, inner voice, soulical realm): The Spiritual Man] various quotes:

“Spiritual life is maintained simply by heeding the direction of the spirit’s intuition. The believer will wait quietly for the voice of the Holy Spirit to be heard in his spirit, intuitively. Upon hearing the inner voice he rises up to work, obeying the direction of intuition.”
“This is because conscience, being fully under the control of the Holy Spirit, daily grows more sensitive until it is attuned perfectly to the voice of the Spirit.”

“In abiding by the spirit and listening to the voice of conscience . . .”

“In case our knowledge is inadequate and our conscience continues its censure, we must obey its voice at all cost. We should never philosophize that since this thing is not wrong according to God’s highest standard, we can do it in spite of what our conscience says.”

Oswald Chambers [Itinerant Preacher; My Utmost For His Highest ] various quotes:

“Though the Lord gave you adversity for food and suffering for drink, he will still be with you to teach you. You will see your teacher with your own eyes. Your own ears will hear him. Right behind you a voice will say, ‘This is the way you should go,’ whether to the right or to the left.”

“When any duty presents itself we hear God’s voice as Our Lord heard His Father’s voice, and we are ready for it with all the alertness of our love for Him.”

“What hinders me from hearing God’s voice is that I am taken up with other things.”

“The voice of the Spirit of God is as gentle as a summer breeze— so gentle that unless you are living in complete fellowship and oneness with God, you will never hear it. The sense of warning and restraint that the Spirit gives comes to us in the most amazingly gentle ways. And if you are not sensitive enough to detect His voice, you will quench it, and your spiritual life will be impaired. This sense of restraint will always come as a “still small voice”, so faint that no one except a saint of God will notice it.”

Rick Joyner [Charismatic/Word of Faith; MorningStar Ministries; Apostolic Ministry’ Prophetic Ministry; TheFinal Quest]

Quote: The Army of God Mobilizes, Part 7 Week 7, 2008:
“Knowing His voice and obeying, are the most basic characteristics of those who would mobilize to be a part of the army of God . . . All of God’s people need to know His voice, not just prophets, pastors, or church leaders . . . The ability to know His voice and obey Him is fundamental. If this does not compel them to get to know His voice, and always be listening for it in order to obey Him, ultimately they will be removed as they will be a danger to all. The times that we are entering will be such that it will be a life and death matter to know His voice and obey Him.”

C Peter Wagner [Charismatic/Word of Faith/Apostolic Reformation/Prophetic/Kingdom Now/Spiritual Warfar ; Global Harvest Ministries; World Prayer Center; Former professor Fuller Theological Seminary; coined the term Third Wave]

The expression “Third Wave” was coined by Christian theologian C. Peter Wagner around 1980, in his book The Third Wave of the Holy Spirit: Encountering the Power of Signs and Wonders Today, to describe what followers believe to be the recent historical work of the Holy Spirit. It’s part of a larger movement known as the Neo-Charismatic movement. The “Third Wave” involves those Christians who have received Pentecostal-like experiences . . . One of the largest groups in the Third Wave are the members of the New Apostolic Reformation.

* The First “wave” occurred at the beginning of the twentieth century with the rise of the Pentecostal movement, beginning with the Azusa Street Revival.
* The Second “wave” occurred during the 1960s as the Charismatic movement spread throughout mainline Protestant denominations, as well as the Roman Catholic Church. The Word of faith movement is also an expression of this movement.
* The Third “wave” occurred during the mid 1980s and continues today, and is associated with Wagner’s own ministry, as well as the Vineyard Movement. The Toronto blessing and Eternal Grace are also an expression of this movement.

Third Wave: “Prophecy and hearing the voice of God. The Third Wave movement affirms the ongoing direct communication of God. Not only does God still speak to people, they are literally able to hear God’s voice (sometimes referred to as receiving a “word of knowledge” or “word of wisdom” from God).”

Wagner was heavily connected with John Wimber – the originator of Vineyard Church [Charismatic].
Wagner quotes:

“Learning to hear the voice of God was a long process for me because it was such a readical departure from my past. The key question is not, ‘Does God speak to us?’ But rather, Are we listening to his voice.”

“Through the years I have received a considerable amount of valuable new revelation from God through prophets, revelation that is not to be found in the Bible.”

Brother Lawrence [(1614-1691AD) Catholic French Monk; Practice of the Presence of God ]

“[T]he 17th century [French] monk, Brother Lawrence, developed a technique–mostly through inspiration and intuition–which leads to results akin to those developed by the continued practice of either Zen or mindfulness meditation. In The Practice of the Presence of God” he wrote:

“This made me resolve to give the all for the All: so after having given myself wholly to GOD, to make all the satisfaction I could for my sins, I renounced, for the love of Him, everything that was not He; and I began to live as if there was none but He and I in the world … I worshipped Him the oftenest that I could, keeping my mind in His holy Presence, and recalling it as often as I found it wandered from Him. I found no small pain in this exercise, and yet I continued it, notwithstanding all the difficulties that occurred, without troubling or disquieting myself when my mind had wandered involuntarily. I made this my business, as much all the day long as at the appointed times of prayer; for at all times, every hour, every minute, even in the height of my business, I drove away from my mind everything that was capable of interrupting my thought of GOD. Such has been my common practice ever since I entered into religion.” — Western Mystical Traditions (Quote by Brother Lawrence from First Letter)

“It is said of Brother Lawrence that when something had taken his mind away from love’s presence he would receive “a reminder from God” that so moved his soul that he “cried out, singing and dancing violently like a mad man.” You will note that the reminders came from God and were not his own doing. (Gerald May, The Awakened Heart (New York, NY:Harper Collins, First Harper Collins Paperback Edition, 1993) p. 87, citing from The Practice of the Presence of God by Brother Lawrence, translated by John Delaney, Image Books, 1977, p. 34.)

Brother Lawrence says that secret conversations with God must be “repeat[ed] often in the day,” and “for the right practice of it, the heart must be empty of all other things.” He speaks of the trouble of wandering thoughts and says that the habit of practicing the presence of God is the “one remedy” and the “best and easiest method” he knows to dissolve distractions.

“When we come upon this word, we need to pause, look to God’s indwelling presence, and ask Him to search us and point out our faults. As God is the ‘Father of mercies’, He gives us fresh insight and allows this word to wake us out of our sleep when we ask Him. He wipes away our past transgressions when we repent and gives us His strength to move forward in our new awareness.”
Leanne Payne [ Mystic Inner Healing/Spiritual Therapist; Pastoral Care Ministries and Seminars; Listening Prayer: Learning to Hear God’s Voice and Keep a Prayer Journal; Heaven’s Calling]

From an interview:
“In an age of noise, confusion, and hurry, we often don’t hear the voice of God. But listening prayer can add a new dimension to the way ones soul comprehends the great disciplines.”

“To walk in the Spirit, listening, is to live in the present moment, looking to Christ, practicing His presence, moving in tandem with Him. It is to live from the locus of the true self as the old one is being crucified. This is the centre where we are in union with Christ, that completed self that hears and obeys God.”

Listening to God is an important part of the practice of the presence . . . I knew that if I could practice His presence and learn to listen to Him, then anybody could learn! . . . Until we start listening to God and receiving the words and the images that come from Him, then we are sick. [Interview with ChristianBook.com]

Jack Hayford [Church On The Way; Four Square Gospel Church (Charismatic) Jack Hayford Ministries]

Endorsement of Leanne Payne: “I can imagine no more spiritually sensitive teacher than Leanne Payne to prompt us on a pathway toward a more prayerfully sensitive hearing and responding to Gods voice.”

Living the Spirit Formed Life – In Part II: The First Disciple: Committing to hear God’s Voice:
“PRINCIPLE: To read and study God’s Word is to lay the foundation for all understanding and growth. However, the Bible is the living Word. It has not been given solely for information, analysis and education. God wants to speak to each one of His children in order to teach and correct, lead and direct, and keep and protect. For this to take place, vitally and “ongoingly,” believers need to learn to hear the “word” within the Word, to receive the prophetic intent of the Holy Spirit Who breathes truth into our hearts, transforming our lives.”

Henri J.M. Nouwen [1932-1966; Catholic Priest; Lived with monks; authored over 40 books]

“ . . . one of his biographers revealed that in a 1994 survey of 3,400 U.S. Protestant church leaders, Nouwen ranked second only to Billy Graham” …Ray Yungen

“And if there’s still any doubt that Nouwen is talking about a repetitive mantra derived from the Eastern religions, which fatally warped the theology of these heretical hermits he then says, “The quiet repetition of a single word can help us descend with the mind into the heart . . . It can be like a ladder along which we can descend into the heart and ascend to God.” Henri Nouwen, The Way of the Heart (New York: Ballantine Books, 1981), pgs. 64-5

“Nouwen also wrote the foreword to a book that mixes Christianity with Hindu spirituality, in which he says: ‘[T]he author shows a wonderful openness to the gifts of Buddhism, Hinduism and Muslim religion. He discovers their great wisdom for the spiritual life of the Christian …’ ”

Nouwen Quotes:
“We who have so much to do seek quiet spaces to hear your voice each day.”

“But what I would like to say is that the spiritual life is a life in which you gradually learn to listen to a voice that says something else, that says, “You are the beloved and on you my favour rests.”… I want you to hear that voice. It is not a very loud voice because it is an intimate voice. It comes from a very deep place. It is soft and gentle. I want you to gradually hear that voice. We both have to hear that voice and to claim for ourselves that that voice speaks the truth, our truth. It tells us who we are. That is where the spiritual life starts – by claiming the voice that calls us the beloved.”

“Why is it so important that you are with God and God alone on the mountain top? It’s important because it’s the place in which you can listen to the voice of the One who calls you the beloved. To pray is to listen to the One who calls you “my beloved daughter,” “my beloved son,” “my beloved child.” To pray is to let that voice speak to the centre of your being, to your guts, and let that voice resound in your whole being.”

Benny Hinn [Charismatic/Word of Faith Healer/Prophet TV personality Miracle Crusades; Benny Hinn Ministries; false prophecies; Good Morning Holy Spirit ]

“There are no shortcuts. You have to go through the process. You have to come to the outer court and get on your knees, making your requests known to God in the first realm. It is easy to get distracted in the outer court because there is so much activity. The flesh is still in control. You get tired and worn out. You cannot hear God’s voice there, so it gets easy to give up.”

A commentary on Good Morning Holy Spirit – “How to recognize the voice of the Holy Spirit.”

“Benny makes no bones about the importance and significance of his spiritual experiences. He writes, “A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument” (p.98). Later in the book he writes of an experience where he weeps for “more than three weeks” (p.150). Strewn throughout the book are his constant references to “feeling” the Holy Spirit; experiencing what feels like “jolts of electricity” or “a blanket of warmth” (p.110). In fact, Benny is so hung up on experiences that, like a drug addict who must ever increase his dosage to maintain his high, Benny must always intensify his experience. At one point in the book, he asks, “Is that all there is?” (p.109). This focus on sensational experiences puts Benny in the dangerous position where his spiritual experiences must intensify at expense of the truth. In other words, Benny generally does not encourage his readers to seek to grow in personal holiness and in their understanding of the truth. Instead he encourages them–by his own example–to primarily seek temporary sensational experiences. ”

“Instead of guiding us to seek direction from Scripture, he asks us to be ready to receive personal, direct revelation from the Holy Spirit in the form of an inner voice. Though Protestants have been very open to this teaching lately, it must be noted that this idea radically denies the sufficiency of the Scriptures in all matters of faith and conduct. Scripture is our guide. The Holy Spirit uses Scripture and applies it to our life to guide us. An inner voice from inside is too vague and too prone to stem from our own desires and lusts and therefore must be questioned as a source to guide us. But not for Benny. He writes, “During a church building program I was asked, ‘How do you know you’re doing the right thing?’ The answer was the same as if I’d been asked about my salvation. ‘I know that I know, that I know, that I know.’ The Lord, through the Holy Spirit, told me to start building. Every decision in my life is based on that same inner voice” (p.76).


There are hundreds of more quotes. You can see the common thread that permeates every facet of Christianity. The Internet is filled with websites promoting teachers, authors, and mystics from every venue of the Church as well; promoting hearing a voice that they define as “God” or “the god within”. Bookshelves are overloaded with authors all pushing their way into our lives explaining the “God within” and how to “get in touch with it” and to “communicate with it”, in both secular and Christian bookstores. The most notable fact is the presence of the voice outside of Christian circles comes through the identical practices and meditative processes as in the psychic venue.

The historical background of the Pentecostal Movement weaves into the Charismatic movement. Although “classical Pentecostals” do not like to refer to themselves as Charismatic, it is difficult to separate the beliefs and practices from each other. The unique emphasis on both is that faith is a force of power by which the gifts of the Spirit are fully engaged, through the “baptism of the Holy Spirit”. This distinctive follows every segment of the movement, which is often referred to as the Charismatic or the Faith Movement as I will refer to it.

It is through the Faith Movement that the voice teaching is hyper sensationalized due to the prolific “gifts” of tongues, dreams, visions, interpretations, words of wisdom and knowledge and prophetic “words from the Lord”. The prophetic and apostolic offices have monopolized Christendom, currently, with the voice mantra and special revelations directly from the “mouth of God”. The Internet is swamped with websites all proclaiming these revelations given through prophetic dreams, visions, and “words” as well as the churches throughout the Faith Movement venue, all due to the desirability and operation of the voice. These websites all have their own “store” to purchase the “latest and the greatest” revelations.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 ***And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you:*** whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

Going back into the roots of the Pentecostal Movement

The Pentecostal Movement helps give clarity in understanding the foundation which is based in mystic, occult concepts and practices. Although Pentecostalism and the Faith Movement concentrate on the gifts of the spirit, especially the practice of tongues, the voice behind the ability is the motivator. Without the voice, the prophetic and the ability to work in the gifts are useless.
Charles Parham is considered by most to be the “Father of Pentecostalism”. In 1900 Parham started a “school” in Topeka that was in an abandoned castle called Stones Folly. There, he and about 40 students and their families lived. They set up two of the towers as their prayer towers and prayed 24 hours a day. Living conditions were harsh. While Parham was gone on a trip he encouraged his students to search the Scriptures for evidence of the Holy Spirit and upon his return was told by them that it was speaking in tongues. They began to seek God for this experience. The first to receive the “second blessing” was Agnes Ozman who began speaking in tongues after praying for several weeks. 3 In other words, the experience was achieved through man’s motivation and “revelation”, and not by God.

Besides the Latter Rain Second Blessing teachings, Parham’s belief system, which blends Quakerism and the Holiness Movement into the mystic “inner light”, fuels all of his teachings. These teachings have been funneled into all Pentecostal/Charismatic venues and are the base for an understanding of the mysticism of the voice. 4

Parham’s “mentor” was David Baker [His wife, Sarah’s grandfather], who was a Quaker. In a biography of Charles Parham, written by his wife, Sarah; Parham said of Quakers “. . .These people have reached an elevated plane in Christian experience . . .” 5

According to Encarta and the Encyclopedia Britannica, the Quaker movement began with George Fox who taught the “Christ within” which later developed into the “inner light”. Their beliefs included:

* Divine revelation is immediate and individual, called “inner light” or “Inward Light”.
* This “inner/Inward Light” is referred to as the “God found in every man”, and is the direct awareness of God that allows God’s will to be known personally.
* All persons may perceive the word of God in their soul.
* Worship is based on silence. 6

The Quakers were also heavily influenced by pantheism, the occult, fundamentalists, quietist seekers, anti antinomian Ranters, theocratic militants; which were in turn influenced by English lollards, European Anabaptist Mennonites, and by mystics like Jakob Boehme. Boehme’s philosophy was the “cosmic consciousness” in which one is raised above himself in immediate relationship with “God”, partaking of “Divinity” – a mystic process to experience direct conscious union with the “Absolute, Divine Mind, Univeral Intelligence” [“‘God’ of the heart”] through the five senses, intuition, visualization, and healing techniques. The “nature” of this deity is not defined – in other words, it is not the Almighty God of the Bible. Jacob Boehme, also heard the voice – a spirit guide named Nirmanakayas, who watched over and guided him. 7

The definition of a spirit guide as given by secular sources: “A spirit guide is meant to advise you and lead you on your life path. These spirits are with everyone and are there for your own good and will never give you “bad” advice. Unfortunately most people cannot hear their guides.”
“Spirit guide” is a term used by the Western tradition of Spiritualist Churches, mediums, and psychics to describe an entity that remains a disincarnate spirit in order to act as a guide or protector to a living incarnated human being.”

“A spiritual entity who teaches a medium or channel and who guides them in their spiritual work.” 8
This system of “guidance” is identical to how people understand hearing the voice no matter what venue. It is their “spiritual guide”. According to Jesus Christ, to be led by the Holy Spirit is not by a voice, but to bring through our “remembrance” or our memory – which is based on what we have *read* in His written Word.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

* Note that Jesus said, what He *has said* – past tense.

The search for experimentalism, no matter what form, has overtaken much of Christianity for those who are seeking after hearing from God personally through a voice.

The Quakers were also affected by other false theologies – the denial of the Deity of Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit as the “divine energy”, and quietism – a mystic communion with God that comes from a state of quiet which is practiced by Hindu philosophy and Sufism. Quietism also allows the passive state of the soul to be absorbed by the divine spirit so that it pours down, and the annihilation of the will. Quakers also preferred personal revelation and experience over Biblical authority, which we also find within the Faith Movement.

Quakerism was also marked with trances, shaking, tongues, visions, etc. and assimilated within the Faith Movement. Maria Woodworth-Etter of the Holiness Movement introduced being “slain in the spirit” when her followers would fall back in a trance, contortions of the face and body, trembling, laughter, etc. All marks of the Faith Movement. 10

The influences of these teachings, doctrines and philosophies intersect and weave throughout a host of authors and teachers of mysticism, both in the church and from without. Many of these teachers are occultists who once entering the cosmic conscious experienced being immersed in rose colored clouds, overwhelming joy, and illuminations/revelations of the world. These ethereal sensations are experienced by those in the Faith Movement as well – pointing to the fire and other manifestations which are experienced with the Kundalini power [serpent power at the base of the backbone and up to the mind], Toronto Blessing, Azusa Street, Brownsville, Keswick, Fire/Holiness movements, Freemasonry, kabbalah, Rosicrucian, Golden Dawn, and sorcery. 11

All of the Quaker/Boehme/mystic/occult plethora of unscriptural concepts are the background of what Charles Parham believed and influenced his teachings. On top of that, Parham was a KKK member, a free mason, taught experimental salvation and the two seed theory of the Christian Identity movement [whites are the superior race], etc. 12 Parham’s theological roots also came from Frank Sanford, John Alexander Dowie, John G Lake, John Irving, John Wesley, John Nelson Darby, and others. 13 Parham founded the Church of God in Christ [inc. Black Pentecostals], Assemblies of God, United Pentecostal Church, Unitarian Pentecostal Church, Unitarian Pentecostal Church of God, and The International Church of the Foursquare Gospel. 14 This is the tangled weave that forms the checkered tattered quilt of the Faith Movement.

A moderate progression of the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement shows a trail from Charles Parham all the way foreward towards today’s most “notable” gurus in the Faith Movement. Parham > Ozman > William Seymour [Parham’s student] > Azuza Street. The Azusa Street Revival became the raging fire that spread throughout the world. For this, we can thank Charles Parham.

“Seymour and his followers concluded that they held centre stage in God’s plan for the last days. They were convinced that the events experienced at the Azusa Street Mission were clear evidence of a “new Pentecost” – a long-awaited “restoration of the faith once delivered to the saints.” Their name, “Apostolic Faith Movement”, demonstrated their conviction that they were the continuation of the apostolic Acts 2 experience; the label “Pentecostal” came a little later and pointed to the centrality of the first Christian Pentecost in their self-understanding. In the early stages Pentecostalism was already an urban movement. It took roots not only in rural areas but also in scores of gospel tabernacles, unused downtown mainline denominational churches, neighbourhood stores fronts, and other urban facilities.” 15

“The Azusa Street meetings were characterised by spontaneous prayer and preaching and the active participation of women. In addition, an unparalleled inter-racial makeup of the services also highlighted the revival, accompanied by a message of reconciliation. In particular, however, visitors witnessed what they saw to be evidence of a special post-conversion baptismal experience of the Holy Spirit. Those that were convinced carried home with them this new teaching, and Pentecostalism began as a world-wide movement . . . To summarize, the rapid beginning of Pentecostalism can be understood against the backdrop of a revival of tongues-speaking in Topeka, 1901, after which Charles Parham formulated the doctrine of “initial evidence:” that tongues-speaking is the initial evidence of Spirit baptism, which he understood to be a separate work of the Spirit to conversion and sanctification. Then when the re-occurrence of tongues speaking at the Azusa Street meetings from 1906-1909 gained a worldwide audience, William Seymour, a former student of Parham, used the revival as a platform to teach this new doctrine of Spirit baptism. Visitors witnessed this first-hand and then carried the new teaching abroad.” 16

From there, the influence of Pentecostalism raged onwards through many “healers” and promoters of “the second blessing” and the manifestations of the “spirit” and gifts. Early on, peddlers of this kind of “faith” were Aimee Semple McPherson, Katherine Kuhlman, John G Lake, Maria Woodworth-Etter, and others in the 1920-30s. Then came William Branham, Oral Roberts, and Smith Wigglesworth in the 1940s-50s+. The Healing Revival Movement/Word of Faith Movement began it’s complete infusion into the Pentecostal movement with William Branham, Oral Roberts, A.A. Allen, T.L. Osburn, Kenneth Hagin, Sr and many others from the 1940s to the end of the 1960s. The torch was lit and carried forwards by Kenneth Copeland, Benny Hinn, Paul Wierville, Lonnie Frisbee, John Wimber [Vineyard Church], Chuck Smith [Calvary Chapel, California], and a host of many others to numerous to mention like Jack Deere, CJ Wagner, Rick Joyner, Jack Hayford, TD Jakes, Joyce Meyer, Fred Price, Jesse Duplantis, Bob Jones [prophet] etc. Wierville, Frisbee, Wimber, and Smith were all associates. Wierville started his own cult group called The Way International – it is still in existence today.



Personal Experience

In 1995 I was fully engrossed into the Faith Movement. I cut my spiritual teeth on Kenneth Copeland and Kenneth Hagin, Sr., and they became my “teachers”. It was through their preaching and writings that I yearned for the “baptism of the Holy Spirit” aka “the second blessing” of tongues, and the subsequent voice. Soon I was speaking in tongues and hearing the voice myself. Daily dialogues between me and who I thought was God became my understanding of Scriptural truth and how I was lead in obedience to God.

The first time I heard the voice, I was not in silence “before the Lord”, nor was it a “still small voice”. I was riding in my car and the voice filled my head and would not stop for hours. I “saw” in my mind, that Jesus was speaking to me. He told me of things to come, what I would be doing for Him, what my “ministry” would be like. None of it came to pass, and it was all based on Scripture. Most of what I heard from that moment onwards was based in Scripture [totally out of context, but verse upon verse, none-the-less – just as satan quoted the OT to Jesus when he tempted Him].

I soon heard the voice in the prophetic realm. For over five years I took down the “words of the Lord” [including visions and dreams with interpretations]. I still have a box full to remind me of my days of influence under that seductive spirit. None of those prophecies came to pass, not one single prophecy. I would often hear the voice for hour after hour, writing down every word that was spoken. These words were confirmed by two other “prophets”. Yet no “word” ever came to pass, and still I was convinced that it was God because the voice told me it was a test, and asked if I would still be willing to obey if nothing came to pass. I always responded in the affirmative. What a terrible deception. God does not lie.

Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
1 Corinthians 13: 4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, *** but rejoiceth in the truth;***

As time progressed, I was drawn into the “silent before the Lord” meditative practices so I could hear the voice clearer. Of course that meant I had to pray in tongues more, which is really the same mantra as “breathing in the ‘spirit’” and “saying a word over and over again to concentrate on the Lord” – which led to “quieting my mind and listening for the still small voice”. I would lie on the floor “prostrate before the Lord”, just waiting for Him to speak. He would then instruct me to get paper and pen and start taking “His Words” – just like the prophets of old. Often times while I was writing down what I “heard”, I would pray in tongues quietly so that I would be sure to “hear correctly”. You would think with all that “insurance” I would have heard the Lord, but instead, all I got was a “stone”. So why do you suppose that was?

1 Gilley
2 Ibid
3 http://healingandrevival.com/BioCFParham.htm
4 http://www.seekgod.ca/mystics.htm
5 Ibid
6 Ibid
7 Ibid
8 http://www.thepsychiccenter.comglossary, http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_guide, http://www.reiki.nu/treatment/healing/dictionary4/dictionary4.html
9 http://www.seekgod.ca/mystics.htm
10 Ibid
11 http://www.seekgod.ca/fatherparham.htm
12 http://www.seekgod.ca/parham.htm
13 http://www.seekgod.ca/fatherparham.htm
14 ibid
15 http://www.reformedreflections.ca/other-religions/azusa-street.html
16 http://talkingpentecostalism.blogspot.com/2007/03/why-was-pentecostalism-successful.html


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Paul’s Knowledge of New Doctrine and Those Who Resist It

I received this comment recently and thought I would make my response as a post.

Comment in reference to the article “Rosh Hashanah – Jewish New Year – Feast of Trumpets – Yom Teruah”:

It’s difficult to go through all this and comment but I would like to offer that distinctions should be made between what the Torah and Tanakh say we should do and what Judaism (specifically, Talmud) says… The scribes, pharisees, priests and rabbi’s added to (and took away from) the Divine Law just as the “Christians” do today (where does it say in His word that “priests” shouldn’t marry?).

Umm… respectfully, Torah teaches that all Israel is supposed to observe these feast days in perpetuity. Not just the “Jews” (sons of Yahudah or Judah); but his 11 other brothers, too; that’s us~ but you probably won’t receive that either…

Yom Teruah has a future fulfilment. There is a reason Christendom won’t see much of it coming… because they throw off the Creator’s calendar in favor of Pope Gregory’s…


It is true that there is a distinction between the Law of Moses and the Talmud, which has been my position for many years.  And even more so as I watch greater numbers of people embrace Hebrew Roots/Messianic Judaism. It is this rush to be more Jewish that the Talmud is viewed as having true Jewish/Biblical instruction, which is why I approach the Mosaic Feasts from that perspective in the articles that I post, showing the unScriptural changes.

Israel was to keep the feasts perpetually as a sign of obedience to the old or Mosaic Covenant.  These feasts were only given to Israel and those within her borders.  The aliens and strangers were given certain requirements to keep the feasts within Israel’s community, but they were not obligated to observe all of the Mosaic Law.  The NT tells us that these feasts were a shadow of what was to come.  It was a rough blueprint of the finished work of Christ on the cross.  Just as a blueprint is not used after a building is built, so too, we do not have to go back to the shadows and celebrate them when we have our Lord and Savior dwelling within us, having satisfied every requirement of the Feasts in His own blood.

Regarding Yom Kippur, the calendar used today is a side issue and has nothing to do with why it was given to Israel and how Jesus Christ completely fulfilled it.  Yom Kippur was a shadow of complete and total forgiveness of sins that Jesus bore on the cross.  Hebrews show us verse by verse how Yom Kippur was so thoroughly fulfilled that it surprises me that people are not grasping the glory of the cross in regard not only in this feast, but all of the others as well.

Let me repost how Yom Kippur/Day of Atonement has fulfilled this prophetic feast “over the top”.

Day of Atonement

[Leviticus 16 corresponds with Leviticus 23:27-32] Lev 16:3 Thus shall Aaron [the High Priest] come into the holy place: with a young bullock for a sin offering, and a ram for a burnt offering.

Heb 9:11,12 But Christ being come an high priest… Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.


Lev 16:12,13    And he shall take a censer full of burning coals…and bring it within the veil: And he shall put the incense upon the fire before the LORD, that the cloud of the incense may cover the mercy seat…

Heb 6:19,20  …which entereth into that within the veil; Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.


Lev 16:15,16  Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the veil, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat: And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins…

Heb 9: 13,14,23,24  For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? … It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these… For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:


Lev 16:21,22  And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.

Isa 53:6,11  …the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all…for he shall bear their iniquities.

Heb 9:28; 13:12,13   So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many… Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate. Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.


Lev 16:30  For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD.

Heb 10:10,12,14  By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Day of Atonement ~ Yom Kippur


This day was in a sense, the most sacred of the year for Israel as it was the day when the High Priest entered the Most Holy Place; it happened once a year (Leviticus 16 & Numbers 29:7-11).

He entered first to make atonement for his own sin, by blood sacrifice and then another blood sacrifice for the sins of the nation of Israel. ‘Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin’ Hebrews 9:22 & (Leviticus 17:11).

This feast was actually a day of afflicting one’s soul, humiliation and a day of no work (Leviticus 16:29-31); all of which are fulfilled in Christ, who has forgiven us when we confess our sins and is our Sabbath Rest.


Jesus is our ‘Great High Priest’, ‘our mediator’, and He is also the spotless ‘Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world’ (Hebrew 9:11 & 1 Timothy 2:5 & John 1:29).

Jesus, as the High Priesthood of Melchizedek forever; once and for all, made atonement for mankind, unlike the priest from Aaron’s lineage who had to come once a year, every year to sacrifice by the blood of animals, and lay sin on the goat outside the gate.  The purpose of this feast was to cleanse the people from their sin and to purify the Holy Place.  Jesus is the most holy place [The Temple], and complete atonement for sin, satisfying and fulfilling the shadow of the Law. [Colossians 2:16-18; Hebrews 8:5; Hebrews 10:1]

Romans 3:24-26, speaks of Christ’s redemption by His blood and Hebrews 9:7, 10:3, 19-22 speaks of Jesus as the mediator and that we can enter the Holy of Holies by the blood of Jesus.


The following corresponding verses from the Mosaic Law compared with the NT, show exactly how this feast was fulfilled in Christ, fully and completely.


[Leviticus 16 corresponds with Leviticus 23:27-32]

Lev 16:3 Thus shall Aaron [the High Priest] come into the holy place: with a young bullock for a sin offering, and a ram for a burnt offering.


Heb 9:11,12 But Christ being come an high priest… Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.



Lev 16:12,13    And he shall take a censer full of burning coals…and bring it within the veil: And he shall put the incense upon the fire before the LORD, that the cloud of the incense may cover the mercy seat…


Heb 6:19,20  …which entereth into that within the veil; Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.


Lev 16:15,16  Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the veil, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat: And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins…

Heb 9: 13,14,23,24  For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? … It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these… For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:


Lev 16:21,22  And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness: And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.



Isa 53:6,11  …the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all…for he shall bear their iniquities.


Heb 9:28; 13:12,13   So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many… Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate. Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach. 



Lev 16:30  For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD.

Heb 10:10,12,14  By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. 




Luke 24:44-48

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.