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Peter and the other apostles understood that Jew and Gentile were one under Christ and all are saved by God’s grace through faith, not by the law.

Every single person that claims to keep the law of Moses and advocates it must be kept fails. Because the very parameters within the law keep it from being kept without the temple, without the Levitical priesthood, and if even practicing Jews in Israel can keep less than 300, the dilemma becomes if one is required according to God in the law—to keep ALL of it– or face the curses for not and there is no verse anywhere in there to allow not keeping it ALL if one is bound to it—all those saying they keep it are lying–and breaking another commandment—so please before accusing, consider the implications.

Because Paul, Peter, Silas, Barnabas and other Jewish believers gave witness they could be with the Gentiles and not live as a Jew. Because Christ delivered the final sacrifice and removed the law out of the way so all people would have equal access based on the very basic reality that ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. The law made no one righteous–and no one or no sacrifice or works can make us clean or acceptable to God, except through Christ, who can make us clean. Acts 15 tells that those Jewish believers who were commanding that new believers be circumcised and keep the law of Moses—-were subverting the souls of those they told, according to the apostle James and the other apostles and elders of the churches.

Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

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Thayer Definition:
1) to pack up baggage in order to carry it away to another place
1a) to move one’s furniture (when setting out for some other place)
2) of an enemy
2a) dismantling, plundering

3) of a place
3a) to overthrow, ravage destroy towns lands etc.
4) to turn away violently from a right state, to unsettle, subvert

Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G303 (in the sense of reversal) and a derivative of G4632

So to say those in Christ must be circumcised and keep the law is destroying their souls. That’s quite a burden to acquire and have on judgment day.

Peter said the Gentiles were no different than Jewish believers, and were made clean by faith in Christ, which is the true circumcision of the heart, not the body. He then asked why did any of them expect to put the yoke on Gentiles that the fathers couldn’t bear—and which they–the Jewish believers including the apostles– couldn’t bear. Notice that–it was meaning those from the time of Moses to then, and they as Jews were not able to bear that yoke; no one could keep it perfectly. So why expect Gentiles to?

Peter went so far as to say this concerning Jews and Gentiles, “… put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples…”

In other words, who did they think they were to challenge and try to change the message and Truth of the Gospel and the New Covenant, and try to burden new believers with the yoke that was taken away with Christ dying on the cross. And the truth that faith from Christ causes circumcision of the heart, and cleanses that which was unclean. For all. Jew and Gentile. There aren’t 2 different gospels and 2 different ways to live for Christ.

What was the yoke in question? What was being discussed? Circumcision and commanding the keeping of the law of Moses. That was the yoke the fathers nor they could bear.

The yoke was not something else as some try to say. Many Messianics and Hebrew Roots proponents like to say that the yoke was the “oral law”. But “fathers” in that text is defined as the fathers of Israel, meaning ancestors to those at Mt Sinai where the law was given to the children of Israel. The contrast of the burden of that yoke that Peter said the fathers nor they could bear, is found with Jesus saying,

Matthew 11:28-30 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

The yoke of the law was not on Abraham, but on Moses and the people of the covenant. Paul encouraged against being caught up in trying to keep the law of Moses by comparing it to being entangled with the “yoke of bondage.”

Galatians 5:1-4 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. 2. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 4. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

People who advocate the keeping of the law of Moses, are trying to be justified by the law, which they can’t keep. Therefore, they are fallen from grace, according to the Scriptures. Anything believers do is to be for the glory of God and sharing the gospel. That is what the apostle Paul exemplified. Circumcision, as part of the discussed issues, did not come from the law of Moses, but was given to Abraham, after the promise was given to him by God and before he was circumcised. So that all those who walked by faith could be heirs of the promise. Circumcision became part of the continuing covenant with Abraham under the Mosaic law, but the promise had nothing to do with the law of Moses, other than to point to Christ and be a shadow of what was to come.

Act 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
Act 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Act 13:40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;
Act 13:41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.


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Part two is another post on the Seek God forum about why one cannot keep the Mosaic Law.

Contributed by Vic and used with permission from:


The problem with  saying one can only keep part of the law and they don’t advocate keeping it all, is that it violates the Scriptures regarding keeping the law – just as many in HR do. That is, they say they keep Torah and meaning the Law of Moses–then they say they keep what they can, and eliminate a vast majority–which if they really were keeping the law–would apply. And as I already stated, without being Jewish, without living in Israel, without the Temple–no one can please God with their attempts.

By claiming to keep parts of the law one is in fact not only violating God’s command concerning that in the OT, but also what the Apostles wrote after Christ died for our sins.

Deu 27:26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

There is no way to get around those verses concerning keeping the Mosaic law. None.No Nada. Bash No way. Sign0138

HR suggests that one can choose to pick and choose what laws you will apply to one’s life and then violate the very scriptures you say they try to keep. There is no Scripture to support you trying to keep bits and pieces of the Mosaic law. 6838

Jesus quoted from the law, and showed new applications also–Before He died on the cross. Keeping the law of Moses was mandatory–with no excuses why they weren’t applied and carried out, including the judgments, such as stoning adulterers, etc. To have not, would have exiled them from the covenants and promises. In transitioning to the New Covenant we see examples of Jesus not enforcing the Mosaic covenant but showing mercy or giving what was to be part of the New Covenant. After Jesus Christ died the New Covenant was in place.

Most in HR are confused as to what that means. 6785

Call the Mosaic law the old covenant or contract between God and Israel. Israel broke the covenant. Then God showed He could change the covenant because of their disobedience–and He broke it so that a better way would be known. Yes

Zec 11:7 And I will feed the flock of slaughter, even you, O poor of the flock. And I took to me two staves; the one I called Beauty, and the other I called Bands; and I fed the flock. 8 Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul loathed them, and their soul also abhorred me. 9 Then said I, I will not feed you: that that dies, let it die; and that that is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of another. 10 And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people. 11 And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited on me knew that it was the word of the LORD.

People in HR say God does not change and would not have changed the law. They ignore what the Scriptures say and that includes the OT which they take as God’s truth, often renouncing the NT or saying it is just commentary or some of it’s ok but the rest is corrupted by pagans etc etc.

God does not change–He is perfect, omniscient, holy, and so much more. But the Scriptures show there were many covenants and God–being the author of those covenants, can change or overwrite any of them. Especially when the other contracting party did not keep their part of it. That’s the glory of His being God. Since Israel repeatedly showed they could not keep their end of it, He did what He has every right to do. He broke it from His side also so it became null —like any contract where the parties break it.

Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

In His love and mercy He provided a better way and promised a New Covenant–a new contract that was to be better than the old contract. Why? because mankind sins and could never keep the Old contract.

If one knows anything about writing contracts — many times concepts are carried forward from the old contract–which is why we see mention of things that reflect as being from the OT– not just the Law of Moses. Things one finds in the OT but now, rendered part of the NT. As we see in Matthew 5, Jesus presented many “You have heard it said” and then provided new understanding and hence new commandments, with, “but I say unto you.” We also see Him showing love, mercy and compassion instead of enforcing the judgements of the Mosaic law. ex: the woman taken in adultery; the woman with the issue of blood; touching dead bodies and so on. Reading

Fast forward to Jesus dying on the cross, rising on the third day and sits at the Right hand of the Father–ever making intercession for those who believe. The priesthood changed, as did the covenant with Israel and all mankind.

Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. 20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest: … 22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. …24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Heb 9:14-19
(14) How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? (15) And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
(16) For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. (17) For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. (18) Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
(19) For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, (20) Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

Heb 8:6-9 (6) But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. (7) For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. (8) For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: (9) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Heb 8:12-13 (12) For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. (13) In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The New Testament encompasses that promised new covenant from God.

If one is on a journey do you leave and then at the end of each day of travel, return to the point of starting? The law was good and just when it was in force, but trying to go back under it is to return to what God has said is fulfilled in Christ.  He wants our focus to be on serving Jesus Christ.  Galatians is filled with all the excuses people try to use to reject the New and return to the Old. It goes against what God said in the Old–but that doesn’t matter to some.  One can not straddle the fence with one foot in the old and one in the new.  It doesn’t work that way at all.

It’s about Christ and following Him, not trying to keep under the schoolmaster that held no promise of eternal life.


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The following verses are used time and again by those within HR and Messianics who believe we are to keep the Law and keep Torah. They themselves claim to “Keep Torah”. Sign0095

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

We know that it is impossible to keep the Law. Aside from Jesus fulfilling it, and being the final Sacrifice, there is no temple to make sacrifices, the priesthood is not there, people aren’t making the journey to Israel three times a year and so on. So while pointing fingers at Christians and calling them anti-nomians and having a “lawless Jesus” or similar, they raise the battle cry of “we keep the law”. Sign0082

But they do not. Sign0138

It merely takes a short reading of the Mosaic law to see time and again the law is not being kept by those claiming to keep it. In fact we see leadership saying they “try to keep it the best they can, the things that apply to them”.

And they teach their followers that they don’t actually have to keep it all because some things they just can’t keep. Like stoning adulterers or false prophets… which might in fact, mean stoning them. Duck

How can one say they keep the law and then make statements of excuse why they don’t keep it all? You either keep it or you don’t. It’s like claiming to be a little bit pregnant. You either are or you aren’t.

So they violate Jesus’ teaching by teaching in fact, that not all the law has to be kept. Yet we also know that:

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Deu 27:26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

So by claiming to keep the law when in fact they don’t, they incur the curse associated with not keeping all of it. 7863

Jas 2:10-11
(10) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
(11) For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Jesus also taught to beware the leaven of the Pharisees–which was hypocrisy. That concept also needs to be applied to those claiming we need to keep the law when in fact they do not, nor can they.

And to those who teach others to not keep all the law, while saying to keep it, Jesus said:

“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:

Gal 3:10-13
(10) For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
(11) But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
(12) And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
(13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

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Contributed by Vic at the Seek God Forum:


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