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Cross or Stake?

Another controversy brewing in the Hebrew Roots Movement is the cross or stake debate.  Here is a good article exploring this whole discussion, which includes some references to the “mark”.

Used with permission by the author.

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Cross or Stake?

Is the term “execution stake” or “torture stake” an accurate rendering of the Greek word stauros, which appears in the New Testament texts? Many groups such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses and The Way International, both who deny the Divinity of Christ, as well as some Hebrew roots teachers, use the term “stake”.

The Complete Jewish Bible, a translation used by many Messianics also uses the term stake in place of the more commonly translated cross. Many have said that they do not use the word “cross” because it is a pagan symbol that was brought into the early church by Constantine. The problem with this errant teaching, is that inscriptions of crosses have been found in archaeological excavations that pre-date Constantine in early Jewish Christian tombs, both on the walls, and also written on the burial ossuaries.

Although the Greek word found in some passages of the New Testament is stauros (G4716), which can mean stake, there is another word xulon (G3586) used in such passages as Acts 5:30, 10:39, 13:29, and Galatians 3:13 which quotes from Deuteronomy 21:23 (H6086) which is often translated as “tree”.

Historical reports and archaeological evidence pertaining to first century execution by the Romans does not support “stake” as a valid translation. The stauros was a vertical pole that was permanently installed at the crucifixion site, and the ones being crucified were forced to carry the cross beam up the hill to the site as a form of punishment. Once they reached the site, they were nailed to the crossbeam, and then hoisted up onto the vertical pole (stauros), where their feet were then nailed. The epistle of Barnabas, which is not included in the canon, and is pseudopigraphal in nature, discusses a tau shaped cross as the method of execution of Jesus.

Below are four different translations of the passage:

Barnabas 9

7 For the scripture saith; And Abraham circumcised of his household eighteen males and three hundred. What then was the knowledge given unto him? Understand ye that He saith the eighteen first, and then after an interval three hundred In the eighteen ‘I’ stands for ten, ‘H’ for eight. Here thou hast JESUS (IHSOYS). And because the cross in the ‘T’ was to have grace, He saith also three hundred. So He revealeth Jesus in the two letters, and in the remaining one the cross.

8 For he saith, And Abraham circumcised out of his household eighteen and three hundred. What, then, was the knowledge that was given by this? Learn ye, that he mentioneth the eighteen first, and then, having made an interval, he mentioneth the three hundred. In the eighteen, IH, you have Jesus; and because the cross in the letter T was about to convey the grace of redemption, he mentioneth also the three hundred. Therefore, he showeth Jesus in the two letters, IH, and the cross in the one, T.

8 For it says, “And Abraham circumcised from his household eighteen men and three hundred.” What then was the knowledge that was given to him? Notice that he first mentions the eighteen, and after a pause the three hundred. The eighteen is I (=ten) and H (=8) — you have Jesus — and because the cross was destined to have grace in the T he says “and three hundred.” So he indicates Jesus in the two letters and the cross in the other.

8 For [the Scripture] saith, “And Abraham circumcised ten, and eight, and three hundred men of his household.” What, then, was the knowledge given to him in this? Learn the eighteen first, and then the three hundred. The ten and the eight are thus denoted–Ten by I, and Eight by H. You have [the initials of the, name of] Jesus. And because the cross was to express the grace [of our redemption] by the letter T he says also, “Three Hundred.” He signifies, therefore, Jesus by two letters, and the cross by one. He knows this, who has put within us the engrafted gift of His doctrine. No one has been admitted by me to a more excellent piece of knowledge than this, but I know that ye are worthy.

I am not in any way endorsing the epistle of Barnabas as Scripture, but merely presenting it as a historical writing that mentions the tau cross in reference to the crucifixion of Jesus.

The Mark and its possible meaning.

In the book of Ezekiel, we find this passage:

Eze 9:4 And YHWH said to him, Pass through in the midst of the city, in the midst of Jerusalem, and mark ,<8427> a mark <8420> on the foreheads of the men who are groaning and are mourning over all the abominations that are done in her midst.

Eze 9:6 Slay the aged men, the young man, and the virgin, even children, and

women, all to destruction. But to every man who has the mark <8420> on him,

do not come near. And begin from My sanctuary. And they began with the

aged men who were before the house.

In the book of Revelation, we also find this:

Rev 7:3 Do not harm the earth, nor the sea, nor the trees, until we seal <4972> the slaves of our God on their foreheads.

Rev 9:4 And it was said to them that they should not harm the grass of the earth, nor every green thing, nor every tree, except only the men who do not have the seal<4972> of God on their foreheads.

Eph 4:30 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed <4972> for the day of redemption.

What is this mark that we find mentioned in Ezekial 9:4 and also in 9:6? Lets take a look at the Hebrew word:

H8420

BDB Definition:

tâv

1) desire, mark

1a) mark (as a sign of exemption from judgment)

Strongs:

tawv

From H8427; a mark; by implication a signature: – desire, mark.

It is interesting to note, that the modern Hebrew tav looks like a doorway, but the ancient Hebrew tav was a “T” or an “X”. These are the two shapes of the crosses that the Romans used for crucifixion.

Gesenius’ Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament has a chart that illustrates the ancient Hebrew tav “T”, which became the letter tau (T) in Greek. A copy of this page can be viewed here:

http://hebrewresources.com/ancient-Hebrew-2.html

In a number of the Dead Sea Scrolls, various types of markings appear in the margins to denote Messianic Prophecies. In the scroll of Isaiah, which is dated to 100 bce, the Messianic Prophecies were marked in the side column by the scribes by using the ancient Hebrew letter tav. As an example, if one examines Isaiah 32:1, in the side column, you will see the tav, which is used to denote the Messianic Prophesies. This tav is written in the form of a slanted “t” which also can appear as an x or + with unequal arms .

The sect at Qumran who kept the scrolls, believed that the tav mark was a sign of future Messianic salvation in reference to Ezekiel 9:4. Below is an English translation of what is written in one of their commentaries on scripture known as the “Damascus Document”:

19:12 These [people]shall escape in the time of visitation, but they that hesitate shall be given over to the sword when the Messiah of Aaron and Israel shall come. As it happened in the epoch of the visitation of the forefathers, which He said by the hand of Ezekial “to set the mark (ha Tav) upon the forehead of such as sigh and groan.”

The tav became the letter tau in Greek, and also the letter T in Latin. Because of its shape, the tav was also considered the equivalent to the Greek letter Chi (X) which is used as the first letter in the word Christos (Christ).

Sealing the 144,000

Below are some different translations of the verse in the book of Revelations that prophetically speaks of the Name with which God seals the 144,000. Both the King James Version, the LITV, as well as the YLT and other reformation Bibles translated from the Textus Receptus, state that only the Father’s name is written in their foreheads, while the modern versions state that two separate names will be written.

Revelations 14:1

KJV ” . . . having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.”

LITV ” . . . with the name of his Father having been written in their foreheads.”

NIV ” . . . who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads”

NASB “. . . having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads”

ESV “. . . who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads”

Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
kai eidon kai idou arnion esthkos epi to oroV siwn kai met autou ekaton tessarakonta tessares ciliadeV ecousai to
onoma tou patroV autou gegrammenon epi twn metwpwn autwn

Alexandrian
kai eidon kai idou to arnion estos epi to oroV siwn kai met autou ekaton tesserakonta tessares ciliadeV ecousai to
onoma autou kai to onoma tou patroV autou gegrammenon epi twn metwpwn autwn

As you can see in the comparison of the Greek texts above, the top text lists only one name highlighted in red, while the bottom one lists two. There are also other variations between the two texts that are bolded.

Taking the Mark

So if we are told in scripture that God’s people are marked by Him, then as with all things of God, satan will always attempt to have a counterfeit.

Rev 13:16 And it causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark on their right hand, or in their foreheads,

Rev 14:9 And a third angel followed them, saying in a great voice, If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives a mark on his

forehead, or in his hand,

Rev 14:10 he also shall drink of the wine of the anger of God having been mixed undiluted in the cup of His wrath. And he will be

tormented by fire and brimstone before the holy angels and before the Lamb.

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. And they have no rest day or night, those who worship the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.

Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire. And those who had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

Rev 16:2 And the first went and poured out his vial on the earth. And a bad and grievous sore fell on the men who had the mark of the beast, and on those who worshiped his image.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet doing signs before it, (by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast), and those who had worshiped his image. The two were thrown alive into the Lake of Fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received his mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 13:16 And it causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark on their right hand, or in their foreheads,

Rev 13:17 even that not any might buy or sell except those having the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of its name.

The translations from the Textus Receptus state that there are three forms of allegiance given to the beast in addition to worship. They are the mark, or the name, or the number of his name. The modern versions derived from the Alexandrian texts only interpret it as two, being the name or the number of the name.

Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
kai ina mh tiV dunhtai agorasai h pwlhsai ei mh o ecwn to caragma
h to onoma tou qhriou h ton ariqmon tou onomatoV autou

Alexandrian
kai ina mh tiV dunhtai agorasai h pwlhsai ei mh o ecwn to caragma to onoma tou qhriou h ton ariqmon tou onomatoV autou

As you can see in the comparison of the Greek texts above, the top text has the Greek “ay” (h ) highlighted in red, which does not occur in the bottom text. This is why it appears as “or the name, or the number”, instead of the combined “number of the name”

The Strong’s Concordance definition for “mark” in reference to Revelation 13:16-17, applies exclusively to the references of “the mark” found in the book of Revelations. This definition does not apply to the term “mark” as it is found in any other books of the Bible. Here is the breakdown:

5480- charagma, (khar’-ag-mah); from the same as 5482; a scratch or etching, i.e. stamp (as a badge of servitude), or sculptured figure (statue):-graven image, mark.

5482– charasso-(to sharpen to a point, akin to 1125 through the idea of scratching)…

1125–grapho( graf-o); a prim. verb; to “grave”, espec. to write; fig. to describe:– describe, write(-ing,-ten) [Eng. Dictionary def.– “grave” Archaic. engrave; carve; sculpture. 2.impress deeply; fix firmly]

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Music is an important share of my life.  I listen to Christian music most waking hours – it enriches my life and is an expression of my love for God.  I am especially “passionate” about praise and worship music – the kind of music that lifts up the Name of Jesus and in worship and praise to God.

Everyone has their own eclectic taste in music, and it’s hard to find someone who has the exact same taste, as I have discovered. Most of what I listen to is Praise and Worship music, but I tend to lean towards more modern aka contemporary sounds, than I am the old hymn type that I grew up with.  I love all the new songs that find ways  Christian artists express fresh ideas about God, but based on His Word.   I guess I am “fussy” cause I listen to the words and often get the lyrics off the net before I “fall in love” with a song. A lot of Christian music is not real Scriptural and that bugs me 🙂

I started a page just for songs that I really like that I have found on youtube.com. There are a couple that I couldn’t find that are my all time favorites. Maybe someday I will figure out how to download/upload songs and then put them on youtube myself. Sounds way too techy for this blondie, though! – hehe 🙂

Please click on the link or go to the Music Page listed at the right or at the top of my page. I will be adding new songs often with the newest ones at the top for blog followers, so you don’t have to scroll all the way down 🙂

I pray these songs are a blessing to you – May God be glorified, always!

https://fortheloveoftruth.wordpress.com/music/

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My connections in Hebrew Roots give me lots of exposure to issues within that whole venue that disturb me. I get emails sent to me by people that make me shake my head in amazement at how far people will go to follow their particular “teacher”, completely assured that there is no malice intended.

Yesterday, an email was forwarded to me promoting a “Netzarim Yeshiva”. As I am real familiar with this particular teacher, who also calls himself a Rabbi [no smicha which is an “ordination” in Judaism], it did not surprise me that he is still trying to peddle himself off as a “scholar”. The pathetic thing is that this man has no credentials to offer a “Rabbinate” [Masters and Doctorate] in anything. He has no doctorate himself, other than one from a diploma mill, and not a BS or MA as a prerequisite. This information is well known fact and documented publically as a false degree. Yet, several years later, his Yeshiva still pops back up again on the internet, year after year, [under different names] to unsuspecting victims.

Not only does this man not have any degrees, he has no education in the Semitic languages that he proposes to “teach”. He is self-taught, but cannot hold a conversation in either Hebrew or Aramaic. He is quite simply, a fraud.

This online Yeshiva will cost you $125 per month and at the end, you will have nothing but a worthless piece of paper. I wonder, with that much money at stake, how one will feel when they produce this document to further a “real education” and get laughed out of the admissions office. It’s pretty tragic, huh?

I am curious why people don’t research a person like this before they put down their hard earned cash. Today, scams are a zillion a minute on the internet [especially Messianic Yeshivas > think fraud]. It puzzles me that people trust a man, but with a click of the mouse on google, they would discover exactly what kind of charlatan is picking their pocket.

Caveat emptor ………

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“A Yeshiva [Talmudic Academe]  is an institution unique to classical Judaism for Torah study, the study of Talmud, Rabbinic literature and Responsa [Rabbinic literature in a different form].  Yeshivot are usually associated with Orthodox Judaism, and generally cater to boys or men, although many modern Orthodox yeshivot also educate girls, though often in separate classrooms and sometimes with somewhat different curricula. A roughly equivalent women’s institution is the midrasha.

The term yeshiva gedola (“senior/great yeshiva”) usually refers to post-high school institutions, and yeshiva ketana (“junior/small yeshiva”) can refer to institutions catering to boys of elementary as well as of high school age. The term “yeshiva” is also used sometimes as a generic name for any school that teaches Torah, Mishnah and Talmud, to any age group.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshiva

Obviously,  Messianic “Yeshivas” have lifted the name of a Jewish institution that has been around for centuries having to do with Judaism.  The Talmudic umbrella under which Yeshivas were created is a separate and distinct religion from New Testament adherence.

Why do Messianics call an institution to teach their errant theologies a Yeshiva, which by it’s very foundation is anti- Jesus Christ, and think it’s applicable to them?

Why do Messianics continue to offend the very ones they think they need to make “jealous” for the gospel?

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I have had inquiries as to whom I am referring in the commentary portion.  Although my intent is to expose the teaching and agendas of those in Hebrew Roots so that people can be aware of what is being promoted within that venue, I believe it is also important to expose individuals that are schilling their brand of  “truth”.  The commentary is based on an email that was forwarded to me was originally from James Trimm.

Whether or not you are familiar with him, he is a blemish on Hebrew Roots that needs to be exposed.  Here are some links to give you a full picture of his unBiblical behavior and doctrines:

Follow the links at the end of this article for more info – there are 27 articles in all – Vicky has done an extensive documented presentation:

http://www.seekgod.ca/trimmdoc.htm

more indepth information:

http://home.flash.net/~purnhrt/truth/

the plagiaism issue with proof in textual comparisons:

http://www.lebtahor.com/truth/trimm/plagiarisms/hrvpage.htm

the scam involving his adultery [he openly admitted by email to his followers] and the break up of Trimm’s beit din:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Messianic_Apologetic/message/14317

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Part two is another post on the Seek God forum about why one cannot keep the Mosaic Law.

Contributed by Vic and used with permission from:
http://www.seekgod.ca/forum/showthread.php?tid=37&page=4

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The problem with  saying one can only keep part of the law and they don’t advocate keeping it all, is that it violates the Scriptures regarding keeping the law – just as many in HR do. That is, they say they keep Torah and meaning the Law of Moses–then they say they keep what they can, and eliminate a vast majority–which if they really were keeping the law–would apply. And as I already stated, without being Jewish, without living in Israel, without the Temple–no one can please God with their attempts.

By claiming to keep parts of the law one is in fact not only violating God’s command concerning that in the OT, but also what the Apostles wrote after Christ died for our sins.

Deu 27:26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

There is no way to get around those verses concerning keeping the Mosaic law. None.No Nada. Bash No way. Sign0138

HR suggests that one can choose to pick and choose what laws you will apply to one’s life and then violate the very scriptures you say they try to keep. There is no Scripture to support you trying to keep bits and pieces of the Mosaic law. 6838

Jesus quoted from the law, and showed new applications also–Before He died on the cross. Keeping the law of Moses was mandatory–with no excuses why they weren’t applied and carried out, including the judgments, such as stoning adulterers, etc. To have not, would have exiled them from the covenants and promises. In transitioning to the New Covenant we see examples of Jesus not enforcing the Mosaic covenant but showing mercy or giving what was to be part of the New Covenant. After Jesus Christ died the New Covenant was in place.

Most in HR are confused as to what that means. 6785

Call the Mosaic law the old covenant or contract between God and Israel. Israel broke the covenant. Then God showed He could change the covenant because of their disobedience–and He broke it so that a better way would be known. Yes

Zec 11:7 And I will feed the flock of slaughter, even you, O poor of the flock. And I took to me two staves; the one I called Beauty, and the other I called Bands; and I fed the flock. 8 Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul loathed them, and their soul also abhorred me. 9 Then said I, I will not feed you: that that dies, let it die; and that that is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of another. 10 And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people. 11 And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited on me knew that it was the word of the LORD.

People in HR say God does not change and would not have changed the law. They ignore what the Scriptures say and that includes the OT which they take as God’s truth, often renouncing the NT or saying it is just commentary or some of it’s ok but the rest is corrupted by pagans etc etc.

God does not change–He is perfect, omniscient, holy, and so much more. But the Scriptures show there were many covenants and God–being the author of those covenants, can change or overwrite any of them. Especially when the other contracting party did not keep their part of it. That’s the glory of His being God. Since Israel repeatedly showed they could not keep their end of it, He did what He has every right to do. He broke it from His side also so it became null —like any contract where the parties break it.

Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

In His love and mercy He provided a better way and promised a New Covenant–a new contract that was to be better than the old contract. Why? because mankind sins and could never keep the Old contract.

If one knows anything about writing contracts — many times concepts are carried forward from the old contract–which is why we see mention of things that reflect as being from the OT– not just the Law of Moses. Things one finds in the OT but now, rendered part of the NT. As we see in Matthew 5, Jesus presented many “You have heard it said” and then provided new understanding and hence new commandments, with, “but I say unto you.” We also see Him showing love, mercy and compassion instead of enforcing the judgements of the Mosaic law. ex: the woman taken in adultery; the woman with the issue of blood; touching dead bodies and so on. Reading

Fast forward to Jesus dying on the cross, rising on the third day and sits at the Right hand of the Father–ever making intercession for those who believe. The priesthood changed, as did the covenant with Israel and all mankind.

Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. 20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest: … 22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. …24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Heb 9:14-19
(14) How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? (15) And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
(16) For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. (17) For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. (18) Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
(19) For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, (20) Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

Heb 8:6-9 (6) But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. (7) For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. (8) For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: (9) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Heb 8:12-13 (12) For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. (13) In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The New Testament encompasses that promised new covenant from God.

If one is on a journey do you leave and then at the end of each day of travel, return to the point of starting? The law was good and just when it was in force, but trying to go back under it is to return to what God has said is fulfilled in Christ.  He wants our focus to be on serving Jesus Christ.  Galatians is filled with all the excuses people try to use to reject the New and return to the Old. It goes against what God said in the Old–but that doesn’t matter to some.  One can not straddle the fence with one foot in the old and one in the new.  It doesn’t work that way at all.

It’s about Christ and following Him, not trying to keep under the schoolmaster that held no promise of eternal life.

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Here is an excellent perspective of how Jesus fulfilled the Feast of Tabernacles.  It was written by an administrator on the SeekGod forum and posted by permission:

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I want to share on my view of the Feast of Tabernacles explaining how I see it already being fulfilled when Jesus came .Many Messianics teach that this feast is still to be fulfilled and I’m wondering how one could add to what already has been done.

Lev 23:23 And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall you have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation.
Lev 23:25 You shall do no regular work on it: but you shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.

The feast of tabernacles was also called the feast of ingathering. It was a harvest festival so to speak, where the final crops for the year were harvested. However it also served a commemoration to the years that Israel served in the wilderness.

Lev 23:34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.
Lev 23:35 On the first day shall be a holy convocation: you shall do no regular work on it.
Lev 23:36 Seven days you shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be a holy convocation unto you; and you shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and you shall do no regular work on it.

Lev 23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the fruit of the land, you shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
Lev 23:40 And you shall take on the first day the fruit of choice trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of leafy trees, and willows of the brook; and you shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.
Lev 23:41 And you shall keep it as a feast unto the LORD seven days in the year. It shall be a statute forever in your generations: you shall celebrate it in the seventh month.
Lev 23:42 You shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are born Israelites shall dwell in booths:
Lev 23:43 That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

We see the primary reason for celebration is to commemorate the Exodus from Egypt.
As a Christian we know this symbolised the exodus from Sin. Just as the Passover Lamb is the Lamb of God .So Tabernacles symbolizes our sojourning in the world/wilderness on our way to the Promised Land.
After being delivered from bondage in Egypt, the people weren’t suddenly transported to the Promised land.
Paralleling our lives, they spent 40 years in wilderness dwelling in tents and God was with them in a cloud by day and a pillar of fire at night.
Following our acceptance of Jesus and his redemption from sin we aren’t magically transported to the real promised land either but we go through the wilderness, in our bodily tents.

During their time in the wilderness, they were not alone. He also fulfilled Tabernacles by tabernacling physically among us

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Not only did He tabernacle with us 33 years on the earth ,he does so now with us and in us in this earthly sojourn.

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man loves me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
2Co 6:16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? for you are the temple of the living God; as God has said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.


Eze 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them forevermore.
Eze 37:27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people

In the NT we learn that Jesus was that Rock that gave them water, a theme that Jesus then takes up when during the feast of tabernacles he said that whoever wanted Living water had to go to Him for it.

1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

The manna symbolized Jesus

Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes on me has everlasting life.
Joh 6:48 I am that bread of life.
Joh 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
Joh 6:50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

He also was there as the light

Exo 13:21 And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them in the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:
Neh 9:19 Yet you in your manifold mercies forsook them not in the wilderness: the pillar of cloud departed not from them by day, to lead them in the way; neither the pillar of fire by night, to show them light, and the way in which they should go.

In NT at the feast of Tabernacles commemorating this time in the wilderness Jesus comes up and says He is the true Light of the world. In our wilderness of this world, Jesus is the light that we follow to show us the way we should go.

Now after all that does Jesus fulfill Tabernacles or not, is he the goal of what the physical exodus from Egypt represented.
Is what God requires today keeping the feast of tabernacles in the physical sense ie dwelling in booths and offering sacrifices?

Ezr 3:4 They kept also the feast of tabernacles, as it is written, and offered the daily burnt offerings by number, according to the ordinance, as the duty of every day required;

Or wouldn’t He rather you had been redeemed inwardly, accepted Jesus for the redemption of sins, and were now walking with Him ,our real pillar of light, who gives us real living water that will not cause us to thirst on your way to the Promised Land.

Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he has prepared for them a city. [end quote]

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A Jewish Gospel?

Most people who are in Hebrew Roots promote a “Hebraic mindset”, whereby one cannot fully comprehend the Bible unless one sees them through Hebrew “glasses”. To compound this issue, a new twist has surfaced: a “Jewish Gospel”.

Although it is clear in Scripture that Jesus came through His Jewish bloodline, and the Hebrew Scriptures of the Tanakh [OT] tell of His coming, His birth, sacrifice, and resurrection, Scripture also tells us that the Gospel is not based in “Jewishness”, but Jesus “slain before the foundation of the world”. In other words, the Gospel came from the mind and heart of God. He chose the Jewish nation as the “vehicle”, but the Gospel is not “Jewish” in understanding or acceptance. The Tanakh speaks of “how” He would come and “why” He came, but that does not make it “Jewish”.

Revelations 13:8 And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

John 17:2 As you have given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as you have given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

John states that Jesus is God made manifest in the flesh – the Word made flesh. He did not have a Jewish mindset. He is God. His wisdom and teachings were from the Father, not from a human system of understanding.

John 8:28 Then said Jesus to them, When you have lifted up the Son of man, then shall you know that I am He, and that I do nothing of myself; but as My Father has taught me, I speak these things.

John 15:15 From now on I call you not servants; for the servant knows not what his lord does: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of My Father I have made known to you.

John 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatever You have given Me are of You. 8 For I have given to them the words which You gave Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from You, and they have believed that You did send Me.

Going through Scripture, it’s interesting to note that a Jewish or Hebraic mindset is not different than any other culture. Sin is still sin. God made Himself known to Jew and Gentile alike. If the Gospel was truly “Jewish”, then the obvious question would be: Why didn’t Israel recognize their Messiah?

A follow up question is: Then how did the Jewish disciples and the non-Jewish gentiles understand the Gospel? The answer is in the NT:

Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered to Me of My Father: and no man knows the Son, but the Father; neither knows any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him.

John 6:32 Then Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven.

John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I to you, that no man can come to Me, except it were given to him of My Father.

John 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with My Father: and you do that which you have seen with your father. 39 They answered and said to him, Abraham is our father. Jesus said to them, If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill Me, a man that has told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41 You do the deeds of your father. Then said they to Him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42 Jesus said to them, If God were your Father, you would love Me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of Myself, but He sent Me.

Exploring the Hebraic mind set in the Tanakh, working forward through the NT, post NT, and finally into the 20th century perhaps we can see exactly what it’s perceptions really are. Here is a “sampling”.

In the Tanakh – some Hebraic mind set issues:

* Israel was given the “original” Hebraic mind set having heard God personally and given the Laws first hand – then they disobeyed and broke the covenant based on their Hebraic mind set.

* Israel’s long and arduous history of evil kings – all born and bred of the Hebraic mind set. Jeroboam even changed the feast day of Tabernacles to a different month [oops].

* Solomon, the wisest man who ever lived – given measureless wisdom directly from God, in the culture of the Hebraic mind set. He gained many wives and concubines, and a vast fortune – he worshiped other gods and built altars to them. He ended up compromising even with a Hebraic mindset.

The NT:

First century Judaism did not recognize the Messiah.

* Judas Iscariot – full of the Hebraic mind set, believing that Jesus came as reigning King, but in his Hebraic mind set betrayed the Son of God for a few coins because he did not understand why Jesus really came – his concept of a Jewish Gospel was not God’s plan.

* Peter didn’t get it when Jesus said He had to suffer and die, allowing satan to speak through him and refusing to accept the truth. Interesting how he understood that Jesus was the Christ via the Holy Spirit [Father in Heaven – not his Jewish mindset], but later when his Hebraic mindset kicked in, he stood against what Jesus needed to do.

* The disciples, trained personally by Jesus, did not understand any of His parables until Jesus revealed it to them, and told them that no one but them would “get it”. So much for the Hebraic mindset training since birth.

* The Pharisees plotted Jesus’ death – steeped in Hebraic mind set.

* The Sadducees who did not believe in the resurrection – more of the Hebraic mind set.

* The Jews who tried to kill Jesus by stoning Him because through their Hebraic mind refused to recognize that He was God manifest in the flesh.

* The Sanhedrin – schooled in Hebraic mind set – succeeded in having Jesus crucified – obviously their Hebraic mind set was off that day.

* Paul, who was a Jewish scholar of scholars with Hebraic mind set, not accepting the “Jewish Gospel” – chased, arrested, and persecuted, hundreds of followers of Christ, and even consented to the deaths of some, before His conversion to the Holy Spirit mind set.

* Paul, who was a Hebrew of Hebrews had to correct much error in the Corinthian and the Galatian churches. Did he forget to teach them the Hebraic mindset first?

* When Paul presented the Gospel to the Geeks on Mars Hill, he simply presented Christ crucified and resurrected – there was no mention of a “Jewish” Gospel or a Hebraic mindset. [Acts 22:17+]

* John said that He wrote his Gospel so that all would know that Jesus was the Messiah, the Son of God – by the works and signs that Jesus did, not because His message was Hebraic or that the Kingdom of God was Jewish [John 20:30,31].

* On the Day of Pentecost the disciples spoke of the wonders of God in many languages as the Spirit gave them utterance – the “forerunner” of the Gospel that Peter preached. Perhaps they missed the newsflash on the Hebraic mind set.

* Paul told the jailer, when he asked what he should be do to be saved, told him that he should believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and he would be saved. Did Paul forget to mention that the jailer needed a Hebraic mindset or that the Gospel was Jewish?

* Jesus had some very interesting things to say about how the Pharisees thought:

Matthew 23
13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

Luke 11
44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.

Matthew 23
1 Then spoke Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat:
3 All therefore whatever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do
not you after their works: for they say, and do not.

If the Pharisees had such a godly Hebraic mind set, I wonder why Jesus told them that all they had to offer anyone was hell? Not to mention that they constantly tried to trap Him with questions, and continually plotted His death. Reading Torah was not a spiritual endeavor for them, it was a forced rendition by the letter of the Law; and then taking the Law, twisting it, and making it an abomination before God. This was the 1st century “Hebraic mind set”.

Beyond the NT – more Hebraic minded men:

* Rabbi Meir [Illuminator] or Reb Meir Ba’al Ha-Nes (literally Rabbi Meir Master of the Miracle) considered the greatest 2nd generation teacher of the Talmud. The name Meir was given to him because he enlightened the scholars and students in Torah Law. He also referred to himself as the “God of Meir – answer me” by which miracles allegedly happened. Thousands of Jews still pilgrimage to his grave to receive blessings for health and success. More Hebraic mindset.

* Moses DeLeon – 13th century – wrote [or uncovered the manuscripts in a cave] the book of the Zohar, which is the “ground work text” of kabbalah.

* Sabbatei Zevi [1600’s] believed himself to be the Messiah. He eventually converted to Islam under duress. The Jewish gospel?

* Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson – a 20th Century Chassidic Rabbi – was believed to be the Messiah. He died in 1994. Many of his followers are still waiting for his resurrection. The Jewish gospel?

So, I am curious just which Hebraic/Jewish mind set I should be using to interpret the Scriptures?

Which Jewish skirt should I take hold of? Maybe the “Jew’s skirt” belongs to Jesus?

Of the 15,000,000 Jews in the world, how many are believers – what percentage would that be?

Paul tells us in Romans 10 & 11

Romans 10
1 Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves to the righteousness of God.

Romans11
7 What then? Israel has not obtained that which he seeks for; but the election has obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 (According as it is written, God has given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hearWink to this
day. 9 And David said, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompense to them: 10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back always.

The point is that the Word of God is timeless, eternal, infinite, ageless, and culture-less. It is a Living Word for the spiritual man, not based on man’s intelligence, ethnicity, culture, language or gnostic interpretation, but by the work and will of the Holy Spirit.

The Word of God is so simple a child can understand it, and so complex that wise of this world cannot.

1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but to us which are saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23 But we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block, and to the Greeks foolishness; 24 But to them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

John 14:16,17,26 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My Name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 16:13 Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, [that] shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come.

One last thought. In all the discussion on the Hebraic mindset we must remind ourselves that the authors of the Brit Chadashah [NT] while mostly Jews (except for the proselyte Luke) were also largely hellenized Jews. Hence many of the concepts found in the Brit Chadashah including the Logos, the primacy of Pnuema (Ruach) over Psuche (Nephesh) (actually derived from Platoian philosophy) and the charismata (Spiritual things/gifts) are derived not from eastern philosophy as is in the Tenakh but from the hellenistic philosophies of Plato, Socrates, and Aristotle. The reason is that these apostles were koine speaking hellenized Jews. The Hebraic mindset is a myth … scripture indicates only two mindsets – the natural man who is dead in Adam and the renewed mind of Messiah, which is alive in Jesus Christ.

Messianics and Hebrew Roots teachers want to promote a Hebraic mindset so that they can sell more books… but the only book we need is Davar Elohiym [The Bible], which is life itself. Some also promote kabbalah, based in the Jewish books of sefer zohar and billed as “Hebraic understanding” [ie: PaRDeS], which is nothing more than a pathway to hell through occultism.

Hebraic mindsest? A Jewish Gospel? God’s final answer is “NO”.

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