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Cross or Stake?

Another controversy brewing in the Hebrew Roots Movement is the cross or stake debate.  Here is a good article exploring this whole discussion, which includes some references to the “mark”.

Used with permission by the author.


Cross or Stake?

Is the term “execution stake” or “torture stake” an accurate rendering of the Greek word stauros, which appears in the New Testament texts? Many groups such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses and The Way International, both who deny the Divinity of Christ, as well as some Hebrew roots teachers, use the term “stake”.

The Complete Jewish Bible, a translation used by many Messianics also uses the term stake in place of the more commonly translated cross. Many have said that they do not use the word “cross” because it is a pagan symbol that was brought into the early church by Constantine. The problem with this errant teaching, is that inscriptions of crosses have been found in archaeological excavations that pre-date Constantine in early Jewish Christian tombs, both on the walls, and also written on the burial ossuaries.

Although the Greek word found in some passages of the New Testament is stauros (G4716), which can mean stake, there is another word xulon (G3586) used in such passages as Acts 5:30, 10:39, 13:29, and Galatians 3:13 which quotes from Deuteronomy 21:23 (H6086) which is often translated as “tree”.

Historical reports and archaeological evidence pertaining to first century execution by the Romans does not support “stake” as a valid translation. The stauros was a vertical pole that was permanently installed at the crucifixion site, and the ones being crucified were forced to carry the cross beam up the hill to the site as a form of punishment. Once they reached the site, they were nailed to the crossbeam, and then hoisted up onto the vertical pole (stauros), where their feet were then nailed. The epistle of Barnabas, which is not included in the canon, and is pseudopigraphal in nature, discusses a tau shaped cross as the method of execution of Jesus.

Below are four different translations of the passage:

Barnabas 9

7 For the scripture saith; And Abraham circumcised of his household eighteen males and three hundred. What then was the knowledge given unto him? Understand ye that He saith the eighteen first, and then after an interval three hundred In the eighteen ‘I’ stands for ten, ‘H’ for eight. Here thou hast JESUS (IHSOYS). And because the cross in the ‘T’ was to have grace, He saith also three hundred. So He revealeth Jesus in the two letters, and in the remaining one the cross.

8 For he saith, And Abraham circumcised out of his household eighteen and three hundred. What, then, was the knowledge that was given by this? Learn ye, that he mentioneth the eighteen first, and then, having made an interval, he mentioneth the three hundred. In the eighteen, IH, you have Jesus; and because the cross in the letter T was about to convey the grace of redemption, he mentioneth also the three hundred. Therefore, he showeth Jesus in the two letters, IH, and the cross in the one, T.

8 For it says, “And Abraham circumcised from his household eighteen men and three hundred.” What then was the knowledge that was given to him? Notice that he first mentions the eighteen, and after a pause the three hundred. The eighteen is I (=ten) and H (=8) — you have Jesus — and because the cross was destined to have grace in the T he says “and three hundred.” So he indicates Jesus in the two letters and the cross in the other.

8 For [the Scripture] saith, “And Abraham circumcised ten, and eight, and three hundred men of his household.” What, then, was the knowledge given to him in this? Learn the eighteen first, and then the three hundred. The ten and the eight are thus denoted–Ten by I, and Eight by H. You have [the initials of the, name of] Jesus. And because the cross was to express the grace [of our redemption] by the letter T he says also, “Three Hundred.” He signifies, therefore, Jesus by two letters, and the cross by one. He knows this, who has put within us the engrafted gift of His doctrine. No one has been admitted by me to a more excellent piece of knowledge than this, but I know that ye are worthy.

I am not in any way endorsing the epistle of Barnabas as Scripture, but merely presenting it as a historical writing that mentions the tau cross in reference to the crucifixion of Jesus.

The Mark and its possible meaning.

In the book of Ezekiel, we find this passage:

Eze 9:4 And YHWH said to him, Pass through in the midst of the city, in the midst of Jerusalem, and mark ,<8427> a mark <8420> on the foreheads of the men who are groaning and are mourning over all the abominations that are done in her midst.

Eze 9:6 Slay the aged men, the young man, and the virgin, even children, and

women, all to destruction. But to every man who has the mark <8420> on him,

do not come near. And begin from My sanctuary. And they began with the

aged men who were before the house.

In the book of Revelation, we also find this:

Rev 7:3 Do not harm the earth, nor the sea, nor the trees, until we seal <4972> the slaves of our God on their foreheads.

Rev 9:4 And it was said to them that they should not harm the grass of the earth, nor every green thing, nor every tree, except only the men who do not have the seal<4972> of God on their foreheads.

Eph 4:30 Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed <4972> for the day of redemption.

What is this mark that we find mentioned in Ezekial 9:4 and also in 9:6? Lets take a look at the Hebrew word:


BDB Definition:


1) desire, mark

1a) mark (as a sign of exemption from judgment)



From H8427; a mark; by implication a signature: – desire, mark.

It is interesting to note, that the modern Hebrew tav looks like a doorway, but the ancient Hebrew tav was a “T” or an “X”. These are the two shapes of the crosses that the Romans used for crucifixion.

Gesenius’ Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament has a chart that illustrates the ancient Hebrew tav “T”, which became the letter tau (T) in Greek. A copy of this page can be viewed here:


In a number of the Dead Sea Scrolls, various types of markings appear in the margins to denote Messianic Prophecies. In the scroll of Isaiah, which is dated to 100 bce, the Messianic Prophecies were marked in the side column by the scribes by using the ancient Hebrew letter tav. As an example, if one examines Isaiah 32:1, in the side column, you will see the tav, which is used to denote the Messianic Prophesies. This tav is written in the form of a slanted “t” which also can appear as an x or + with unequal arms .

The sect at Qumran who kept the scrolls, believed that the tav mark was a sign of future Messianic salvation in reference to Ezekiel 9:4. Below is an English translation of what is written in one of their commentaries on scripture known as the “Damascus Document”:

19:12 These [people]shall escape in the time of visitation, but they that hesitate shall be given over to the sword when the Messiah of Aaron and Israel shall come. As it happened in the epoch of the visitation of the forefathers, which He said by the hand of Ezekial “to set the mark (ha Tav) upon the forehead of such as sigh and groan.”

The tav became the letter tau in Greek, and also the letter T in Latin. Because of its shape, the tav was also considered the equivalent to the Greek letter Chi (X) which is used as the first letter in the word Christos (Christ).

Sealing the 144,000

Below are some different translations of the verse in the book of Revelations that prophetically speaks of the Name with which God seals the 144,000. Both the King James Version, the LITV, as well as the YLT and other reformation Bibles translated from the Textus Receptus, state that only the Father’s name is written in their foreheads, while the modern versions state that two separate names will be written.

Revelations 14:1

KJV ” . . . having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.”

LITV ” . . . with the name of his Father having been written in their foreheads.”

NIV ” . . . who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads”

NASB “. . . having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads”

ESV “. . . who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads”

Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
kai eidon kai idou arnion esthkos epi to oroV siwn kai met autou ekaton tessarakonta tessares ciliadeV ecousai to
onoma tou patroV autou gegrammenon epi twn metwpwn autwn

kai eidon kai idou to arnion estos epi to oroV siwn kai met autou ekaton tesserakonta tessares ciliadeV ecousai to
onoma autou kai to onoma tou patroV autou gegrammenon epi twn metwpwn autwn

As you can see in the comparison of the Greek texts above, the top text lists only one name highlighted in red, while the bottom one lists two. There are also other variations between the two texts that are bolded.

Taking the Mark

So if we are told in scripture that God’s people are marked by Him, then as with all things of God, satan will always attempt to have a counterfeit.

Rev 13:16 And it causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark on their right hand, or in their foreheads,

Rev 14:9 And a third angel followed them, saying in a great voice, If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives a mark on his

forehead, or in his hand,

Rev 14:10 he also shall drink of the wine of the anger of God having been mixed undiluted in the cup of His wrath. And he will be

tormented by fire and brimstone before the holy angels and before the Lamb.

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. And they have no rest day or night, those who worship the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.

Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire. And those who had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

Rev 16:2 And the first went and poured out his vial on the earth. And a bad and grievous sore fell on the men who had the mark of the beast, and on those who worshiped his image.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet doing signs before it, (by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast), and those who had worshiped his image. The two were thrown alive into the Lake of Fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received his mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 13:16 And it causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark on their right hand, or in their foreheads,

Rev 13:17 even that not any might buy or sell except those having the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of its name.

The translations from the Textus Receptus state that there are three forms of allegiance given to the beast in addition to worship. They are the mark, or the name, or the number of his name. The modern versions derived from the Alexandrian texts only interpret it as two, being the name or the number of the name.

Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
kai ina mh tiV dunhtai agorasai h pwlhsai ei mh o ecwn to caragma
h to onoma tou qhriou h ton ariqmon tou onomatoV autou

kai ina mh tiV dunhtai agorasai h pwlhsai ei mh o ecwn to caragma to onoma tou qhriou h ton ariqmon tou onomatoV autou

As you can see in the comparison of the Greek texts above, the top text has the Greek “ay” (h ) highlighted in red, which does not occur in the bottom text. This is why it appears as “or the name, or the number”, instead of the combined “number of the name”

The Strong’s Concordance definition for “mark” in reference to Revelation 13:16-17, applies exclusively to the references of “the mark” found in the book of Revelations. This definition does not apply to the term “mark” as it is found in any other books of the Bible. Here is the breakdown:

5480- charagma, (khar’-ag-mah); from the same as 5482; a scratch or etching, i.e. stamp (as a badge of servitude), or sculptured figure (statue):-graven image, mark.

5482– charasso-(to sharpen to a point, akin to 1125 through the idea of scratching)…

1125–grapho( graf-o); a prim. verb; to “grave”, espec. to write; fig. to describe:– describe, write(-ing,-ten) [Eng. Dictionary def.– “grave” Archaic. engrave; carve; sculpture. 2.impress deeply; fix firmly]

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Music is an important share of my life.  I listen to Christian music most waking hours – it enriches my life and is an expression of my love for God.  I am especially “passionate” about praise and worship music – the kind of music that lifts up the Name of Jesus and in worship and praise to God.

Everyone has their own eclectic taste in music, and it’s hard to find someone who has the exact same taste, as I have discovered. Most of what I listen to is Praise and Worship music, but I tend to lean towards more modern aka contemporary sounds, than I am the old hymn type that I grew up with.  I love all the new songs that find ways  Christian artists express fresh ideas about God, but based on His Word.   I guess I am “fussy” cause I listen to the words and often get the lyrics off the net before I “fall in love” with a song. A lot of Christian music is not real Scriptural and that bugs me 🙂

I started a page just for songs that I really like that I have found on youtube.com. There are a couple that I couldn’t find that are my all time favorites. Maybe someday I will figure out how to download/upload songs and then put them on youtube myself. Sounds way too techy for this blondie, though! – hehe 🙂

Please click on the link or go to the Music Page listed at the right or at the top of my page. I will be adding new songs often with the newest ones at the top for blog followers, so you don’t have to scroll all the way down 🙂

I pray these songs are a blessing to you – May God be glorified, always!


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My connections in Hebrew Roots give me lots of exposure to issues within that whole venue that disturb me. I get emails sent to me by people that make me shake my head in amazement at how far people will go to follow their particular “teacher”, completely assured that there is no malice intended.

Yesterday, an email was forwarded to me promoting a “Netzarim Yeshiva”. As I am real familiar with this particular teacher, who also calls himself a Rabbi [no smicha which is an “ordination” in Judaism], it did not surprise me that he is still trying to peddle himself off as a “scholar”. The pathetic thing is that this man has no credentials to offer a “Rabbinate” [Masters and Doctorate] in anything. He has no doctorate himself, other than one from a diploma mill, and not a BS or MA as a prerequisite. This information is well known fact and documented publically as a false degree. Yet, several years later, his Yeshiva still pops back up again on the internet, year after year, [under different names] to unsuspecting victims.

Not only does this man not have any degrees, he has no education in the Semitic languages that he proposes to “teach”. He is self-taught, but cannot hold a conversation in either Hebrew or Aramaic. He is quite simply, a fraud.

This online Yeshiva will cost you $125 per month and at the end, you will have nothing but a worthless piece of paper. I wonder, with that much money at stake, how one will feel when they produce this document to further a “real education” and get laughed out of the admissions office. It’s pretty tragic, huh?

I am curious why people don’t research a person like this before they put down their hard earned cash. Today, scams are a zillion a minute on the internet [especially Messianic Yeshivas > think fraud]. It puzzles me that people trust a man, but with a click of the mouse on google, they would discover exactly what kind of charlatan is picking their pocket.

Caveat emptor ………


“A Yeshiva [Talmudic Academe]  is an institution unique to classical Judaism for Torah study, the study of Talmud, Rabbinic literature and Responsa [Rabbinic literature in a different form].  Yeshivot are usually associated with Orthodox Judaism, and generally cater to boys or men, although many modern Orthodox yeshivot also educate girls, though often in separate classrooms and sometimes with somewhat different curricula. A roughly equivalent women’s institution is the midrasha.

The term yeshiva gedola (“senior/great yeshiva”) usually refers to post-high school institutions, and yeshiva ketana (“junior/small yeshiva”) can refer to institutions catering to boys of elementary as well as of high school age. The term “yeshiva” is also used sometimes as a generic name for any school that teaches Torah, Mishnah and Talmud, to any age group.”


Obviously,  Messianic “Yeshivas” have lifted the name of a Jewish institution that has been around for centuries having to do with Judaism.  The Talmudic umbrella under which Yeshivas were created is a separate and distinct religion from New Testament adherence.

Why do Messianics call an institution to teach their errant theologies a Yeshiva, which by it’s very foundation is anti- Jesus Christ, and think it’s applicable to them?

Why do Messianics continue to offend the very ones they think they need to make “jealous” for the gospel?


I have had inquiries as to whom I am referring in the commentary portion.  Although my intent is to expose the teaching and agendas of those in Hebrew Roots so that people can be aware of what is being promoted within that venue, I believe it is also important to expose individuals that are schilling their brand of  “truth”.  The commentary is based on an email that was forwarded to me was originally from James Trimm.

Whether or not you are familiar with him, he is a blemish on Hebrew Roots that needs to be exposed.  Here are some links to give you a full picture of his unBiblical behavior and doctrines:

Follow the links at the end of this article for more info – there are 27 articles in all – Vicky has done an extensive documented presentation:


more indepth information:


the plagiaism issue with proof in textual comparisons:


the scam involving his adultery [he openly admitted by email to his followers] and the break up of Trimm’s beit din:


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Part two is another post on the Seek God forum about why one cannot keep the Mosaic Law.

Contributed by Vic and used with permission from:


The problem with  saying one can only keep part of the law and they don’t advocate keeping it all, is that it violates the Scriptures regarding keeping the law – just as many in HR do. That is, they say they keep Torah and meaning the Law of Moses–then they say they keep what they can, and eliminate a vast majority–which if they really were keeping the law–would apply. And as I already stated, without being Jewish, without living in Israel, without the Temple–no one can please God with their attempts.

By claiming to keep parts of the law one is in fact not only violating God’s command concerning that in the OT, but also what the Apostles wrote after Christ died for our sins.

Deu 27:26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

There is no way to get around those verses concerning keeping the Mosaic law. None.No Nada. Bash No way. Sign0138

HR suggests that one can choose to pick and choose what laws you will apply to one’s life and then violate the very scriptures you say they try to keep. There is no Scripture to support you trying to keep bits and pieces of the Mosaic law. 6838

Jesus quoted from the law, and showed new applications also–Before He died on the cross. Keeping the law of Moses was mandatory–with no excuses why they weren’t applied and carried out, including the judgments, such as stoning adulterers, etc. To have not, would have exiled them from the covenants and promises. In transitioning to the New Covenant we see examples of Jesus not enforcing the Mosaic covenant but showing mercy or giving what was to be part of the New Covenant. After Jesus Christ died the New Covenant was in place.

Most in HR are confused as to what that means. 6785

Call the Mosaic law the old covenant or contract between God and Israel. Israel broke the covenant. Then God showed He could change the covenant because of their disobedience–and He broke it so that a better way would be known. Yes

Zec 11:7 And I will feed the flock of slaughter, even you, O poor of the flock. And I took to me two staves; the one I called Beauty, and the other I called Bands; and I fed the flock. 8 Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul loathed them, and their soul also abhorred me. 9 Then said I, I will not feed you: that that dies, let it die; and that that is to be cut off, let it be cut off; and let the rest eat every one the flesh of another. 10 And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people. 11 And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited on me knew that it was the word of the LORD.

People in HR say God does not change and would not have changed the law. They ignore what the Scriptures say and that includes the OT which they take as God’s truth, often renouncing the NT or saying it is just commentary or some of it’s ok but the rest is corrupted by pagans etc etc.

God does not change–He is perfect, omniscient, holy, and so much more. But the Scriptures show there were many covenants and God–being the author of those covenants, can change or overwrite any of them. Especially when the other contracting party did not keep their part of it. That’s the glory of His being God. Since Israel repeatedly showed they could not keep their end of it, He did what He has every right to do. He broke it from His side also so it became null —like any contract where the parties break it.

Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

In His love and mercy He provided a better way and promised a New Covenant–a new contract that was to be better than the old contract. Why? because mankind sins and could never keep the Old contract.

If one knows anything about writing contracts — many times concepts are carried forward from the old contract–which is why we see mention of things that reflect as being from the OT– not just the Law of Moses. Things one finds in the OT but now, rendered part of the NT. As we see in Matthew 5, Jesus presented many “You have heard it said” and then provided new understanding and hence new commandments, with, “but I say unto you.” We also see Him showing love, mercy and compassion instead of enforcing the judgements of the Mosaic law. ex: the woman taken in adultery; the woman with the issue of blood; touching dead bodies and so on. Reading

Fast forward to Jesus dying on the cross, rising on the third day and sits at the Right hand of the Father–ever making intercession for those who believe. The priesthood changed, as did the covenant with Israel and all mankind.

Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. 19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God. 20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest: … 22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. …24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

Heb 9:14-19
(14) How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? (15) And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
(16) For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. (17) For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. (18) Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.
(19) For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, (20) Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

Heb 8:6-9 (6) But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. (7) For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. (8) For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: (9) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Heb 8:12-13 (12) For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. (13) In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

The New Testament encompasses that promised new covenant from God.

If one is on a journey do you leave and then at the end of each day of travel, return to the point of starting? The law was good and just when it was in force, but trying to go back under it is to return to what God has said is fulfilled in Christ.  He wants our focus to be on serving Jesus Christ.  Galatians is filled with all the excuses people try to use to reject the New and return to the Old. It goes against what God said in the Old–but that doesn’t matter to some.  One can not straddle the fence with one foot in the old and one in the new.  It doesn’t work that way at all.

It’s about Christ and following Him, not trying to keep under the schoolmaster that held no promise of eternal life.


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Posted on my favorite forum 🙂


The following verses are used time and again by those within HR and Messianics who believe we are to keep the Law and keep Torah. They themselves claim to “Keep Torah”. Sign0095

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

We know that it is impossible to keep the Law. Aside from Jesus fulfilling it, and being the final Sacrifice, there is no temple to make sacrifices, the priesthood is not there, people aren’t making the journey to Israel three times a year and so on. So while pointing fingers at Christians and calling them anti-nomians and having a “lawless Jesus” or similar, they raise the battle cry of “we keep the law”. Sign0082

But they do not. Sign0138

It merely takes a short reading of the Mosaic law to see time and again the law is not being kept by those claiming to keep it. In fact we see leadership saying they “try to keep it the best they can, the things that apply to them”.

And they teach their followers that they don’t actually have to keep it all because some things they just can’t keep. Like stoning adulterers or false prophets… which might in fact, mean stoning them. Duck

How can one say they keep the law and then make statements of excuse why they don’t keep it all? You either keep it or you don’t. It’s like claiming to be a little bit pregnant. You either are or you aren’t.

So they violate Jesus’ teaching by teaching in fact, that not all the law has to be kept. Yet we also know that:

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Deu 27:26 Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

So by claiming to keep the law when in fact they don’t, they incur the curse associated with not keeping all of it. 7863

Jas 2:10-11
(10) For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
(11) For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Jesus also taught to beware the leaven of the Pharisees–which was hypocrisy. That concept also needs to be applied to those claiming we need to keep the law when in fact they do not, nor can they.

And to those who teach others to not keep all the law, while saying to keep it, Jesus said:

“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:

Gal 3:10-13
(10) For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
(11) But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
(12) And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
(13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

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Contributed by Vic at the Seek God Forum:


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Here is an excellent perspective of how Jesus fulfilled the Feast of Tabernacles.  It was written by an administrator on the SeekGod forum and posted by permission:


I want to share on my view of the Feast of Tabernacles explaining how I see it already being fulfilled when Jesus came .Many Messianics teach that this feast is still to be fulfilled and I’m wondering how one could add to what already has been done.

Lev 23:23 And the LORD spoke unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall you have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation.
Lev 23:25 You shall do no regular work on it: but you shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.

The feast of tabernacles was also called the feast of ingathering. It was a harvest festival so to speak, where the final crops for the year were harvested. However it also served a commemoration to the years that Israel served in the wilderness.

Lev 23:34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.
Lev 23:35 On the first day shall be a holy convocation: you shall do no regular work on it.
Lev 23:36 Seven days you shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be a holy convocation unto you; and you shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and you shall do no regular work on it.

Lev 23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the fruit of the land, you shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
Lev 23:40 And you shall take on the first day the fruit of choice trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of leafy trees, and willows of the brook; and you shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.
Lev 23:41 And you shall keep it as a feast unto the LORD seven days in the year. It shall be a statute forever in your generations: you shall celebrate it in the seventh month.
Lev 23:42 You shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are born Israelites shall dwell in booths:
Lev 23:43 That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

We see the primary reason for celebration is to commemorate the Exodus from Egypt.
As a Christian we know this symbolised the exodus from Sin. Just as the Passover Lamb is the Lamb of God .So Tabernacles symbolizes our sojourning in the world/wilderness on our way to the Promised Land.
After being delivered from bondage in Egypt, the people weren’t suddenly transported to the Promised land.
Paralleling our lives, they spent 40 years in wilderness dwelling in tents and God was with them in a cloud by day and a pillar of fire at night.
Following our acceptance of Jesus and his redemption from sin we aren’t magically transported to the real promised land either but we go through the wilderness, in our bodily tents.

During their time in the wilderness, they were not alone. He also fulfilled Tabernacles by tabernacling physically among us

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Not only did He tabernacle with us 33 years on the earth ,he does so now with us and in us in this earthly sojourn.

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man loves me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
2Co 6:16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? for you are the temple of the living God; as God has said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Eze 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them forevermore.
Eze 37:27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people

In the NT we learn that Jesus was that Rock that gave them water, a theme that Jesus then takes up when during the feast of tabernacles he said that whoever wanted Living water had to go to Him for it.

1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

The manna symbolized Jesus

Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes on me has everlasting life.
Joh 6:48 I am that bread of life.
Joh 6:49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
Joh 6:50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

He also was there as the light

Exo 13:21 And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them in the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:
Neh 9:19 Yet you in your manifold mercies forsook them not in the wilderness: the pillar of cloud departed not from them by day, to lead them in the way; neither the pillar of fire by night, to show them light, and the way in which they should go.

In NT at the feast of Tabernacles commemorating this time in the wilderness Jesus comes up and says He is the true Light of the world. In our wilderness of this world, Jesus is the light that we follow to show us the way we should go.

Now after all that does Jesus fulfill Tabernacles or not, is he the goal of what the physical exodus from Egypt represented.
Is what God requires today keeping the feast of tabernacles in the physical sense ie dwelling in booths and offering sacrifices?

Ezr 3:4 They kept also the feast of tabernacles, as it is written, and offered the daily burnt offerings by number, according to the ordinance, as the duty of every day required;

Or wouldn’t He rather you had been redeemed inwardly, accepted Jesus for the redemption of sins, and were now walking with Him ,our real pillar of light, who gives us real living water that will not cause us to thirst on your way to the Promised Land.

Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly: therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he has prepared for them a city. [end quote]

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Tallits [tallitot] [Jewish prayer shawls] are promoted quite heavily in the Messianic Judaism/Hebrew Roots venue, as well as inflitrating the Christian community. Most have been taught that the tallit is a first century garment to fulfill the commandment in the Mosaic Law [Torah] to wear tzitzit or fringes on ones garments as a reminder to keep the Law. The tallit is also esteemed as a garment that Jesus wore, and therefore should be worn by believers if they are going to observe Torah in accordance with the Laws that God commanded. As is noted in the article below, the tallit is a late Rabbinical addition which Messianic camps have embraced, but cannot be proven as historically accurate to confirm first century usage.

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The word tallith (Biblical Hebrew) does not appear anywhere in the Hebrew scriptures. The Greek equivalent of tallith does not appear in the New Testament writings, nor does a transliterated version of Hebrew word tallith appear there. Words like Mashiyach are transliterated as Messias in the Greek, but no transliterated equivalent for tallith can be found in the New Testament.

The Jewish prayer shawl used today, came about by a rabbinical decision at some point in the latter Middle Ages. The construction of this garment was related to a misinterpretation of the Biblical command found in the book of Numbers, and even more likely from the man made teachings/traditions found in the Talmud (Mishnah 3rd Century CE). The color, and the two blue lines, representing a modern prayer shawl that is found on the flag of the state of Israel, and most modern four cornered tallits, is very likely the wrong color according to historical sources.

Today there are Messianics, many of whom are former Christians that have come to the movement from the church, who are now unknowingly following the traditions established by Talmudic Judaism as they use the prayer shawls during services and to cover their heads while praying. They are not aware that the fringes are tied numerically by using gematria in order to form the knots. There are four threads which go through the corner and are doubled back. 4 x 2 = 8. There are five knots on each tassel. 8+5=13. When you add in the numerical equivalent of the word (tsitsit) which is 600:  600+13 = 613. The 613 is a rabbinic interpretation of the ten commandments. (603 interpretations +10 commandments = 613)

Here is what is stated by one of the sages of Judaism:


“[The word] tsitsit is numerically equivalent to 600, 8 strings and 5 knots add up to 613. (Tanchuma, Korach 12)”

A Jewish person cannot be buried with a tallit, unless the fringes are first cut off, which symbolizes that the deceased is no longer under the rabbinic interpretation of the Law. Conversely it stands to reason then, that by wearing one, it symbolizes that one is under the rabbinic interpretation of the law (613). Since the 613 is a late rabbinic interpretation, it would also stand to reason that the fringes that were originally commanded by God to be worn in Numbers, would be the Ten Commandments, and not the 613. If one studies what is written in the Torah, you will find the the tablets with the Ten Commandments inscribed on them were to be kept inside of the Ark of the Covenant, while the five books of Moses, or the Torah were commanded to be kept outside. Since the man was stoned for breaking the fourth of the Ten Commandments in the passage found in the book of Numbers, it would be logical that this is what they were to admonished by God to remember.

Matthew 23

4 For they bind heavy and hard to bear burdens, and lay them on the shoulders of men, but they do not desire to move them with their finger.

5 And they do all their works to be seen by men. And they make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders <G2899> of their robes <G2440>.

Let us first note that Jesus addressed the borders of their robes. Not of their tallit, because that word does not appear in any Biblical text.

The Greek word used for borders in this passage is kraspedon <G2899>. The equivalent Hebrew word(s) according to a comparison of the Hebrew that was translated

into the Greek in the Septuagint (LXX) is kanaph and tsitsit.


kraspedon H3671 kanaph

kraspedon H6734 tsitsit

Why would Jesus call out the Pharisees publicly for doing this, and then wear a tallit Himself which is 70 inches long, and between 28 to 50 inches wide? I think that would appear as slightly hypocritical. Some Hebrew roots teachers have made the statement that no one can prove that Jesus did *not* wear a tallit. To that I say that you can not prove that He didn’t wear a Roman soldier’s helmet either, although it is highly unlikely. The difference being, that the Roman soldiers helmet existed in first century Judea because it has been proven historically. There is no historical or Biblical evidence of a tallit, especially one that has white tsitsit that is tied to represent the 613, which is a rabbinic interpretation of the Law that came about centuries later. The word tallit is not found anywhere in the Bible, nor in the Jewish writings known as the Talmud which was written from 200-500 CE. All that can be found in the Talmud is a reference to the tsitsit where it says “All must observe the law of tzitzit, Cohanim, Levites and Israelites, converts, women and slaves.” The term tallit, can be found in the middle ages writings which comprises the foundational works of Kabbalah called the Zohar. It appears the allegation that Jesus wore a tallit, is just more Hebrew roots conjectural “scholarship”.

Some more definitive proof from the Scriptures:

Psalms 22:18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture <H3830>. Hלקו2505 They part בגדי899 my garments Hהם1992 ו Hל5921 upon לבושׁי H3830 my vesture. Hפילו5307 among them, and cast Hורל׃1486 lots

Here is the BDB meaning of the Hebrew word <H3830> used above for the outer garment (vesture):


לבשׁ / לבוּשׁ


BDB Definition:

1) clothing, garment, apparel, raiment

Part of Speech: noun masculine

A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H3847

Same Word by TWOT Number: 1075a

You will also notice that neither the Hebrew words tsitsit nor kanaph are used in the above passage in Psalms, that is quoted in John19:24, and as stated earlier, tallith does not appear anywhere in the Old Testament, or the New Testament writings.

Let’s also take a look at verse 23:

John 19

23 Then when they crucified Jesus, the soldiers took His garments and made four parts, a part to each soldier, also the tunic <G5509>. And the tunic <G5509> was seamless, woven from the top throughout.

In verse 23, the Greek word chosen explains exactly what the article of clothing is that they are casting lots for. That article of clothing is chiton <G5509>.




Thayer Definition:

1) a tunic, an undergarment, usually worn next to the skin, a garment, a vestment

Part of Speech: noun masculine

The Greek word chiton <G5509> is also used in these passages:

Matthew 10

10 nor provision bag for the road, nor two tunics <G5509>, nor sandals, nor staves. For the worker is worthy of his food.

Mark 6

9 but having tied on sandals, and not putting on two tunics. <G5509>

Luke 9

3 And He said to them, Take nothing for the way, neither staffs, nor moneybags, nor bread, nor silver, nor each to have two tunics <G5509>.

In the above passages, if the word chiton was the equivalent of the Hebrew tallith as some Hebrew roots teachers have taught, then these passages would clearly not make any sense, because no one would wear two tallitot.(plural of tallit)

Matthew 26

65 Then the high priest tore his garments <G5509>, saying, He blasphemed! Why do we have any more need of witnesses? Behold, now you have heard His blasphemy.

Would the High Priest tear his tallit (a Holy garment) if that was what he was wearing?

In verse 24, we find that it points to the fulfillment of scripture, and that Jesus would have lots cast for His garment/ tunic/ vesture as defined above.

John 19

24 Then they said to one another, Let us not tear it, but let us cast lots about it, whose it will be (that the Scripture might be fulfilled which said, “They divided My garments among them,” and “they threw a lot for My garment/vesture <G2441>.” Then indeed the soldiers did these things. (Psa. 22:18)




Thayer Definition:

1) clothing, apparel

Part of Speech: noun masculine

A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2439

In no way are the words in verse 23 or 24 related to the Hebrew words kanaph, tsitsit, or tallith in any way.

It should be noted that John 23:24 directly quotes Psalms 22:18. The Hebrew word in that passage representing His outer garment is a masculine noun lebush לבוּשׁ. It should also be noted that Hebrew words which end in “it” are usually feminine gender. This is the case with tallit, as it is a feminine noun. I personally believe that all scripture is God breathed. If this is correct, then God chose the word that best expressed the thought that He wanted to convey, and that word was not tallit. As a matter of fact, He didn’t use that word anywhere in any book of Scripture, so I am not sure why the Hebrew roots teachers would want to try and force a feminine noun into a slot occupied in Scripture by a masculine noun that was spoken by God.

Still there has been much speculation by some that Jesus and the first century Jews wore a modern style tallit, but in the Scriptures God only commanded that the people wear tsitsit or fringes on the four corners of an existing garment, and not a tallit which is rabbinical in design. Some have said that it would have to be a retangular garment such as a tallit, in order to have four corners, Let’s compare two passages to gain some understanding of what this expression means:

Deuteronomy 22

12 You shall make for yourself tassels on the four corners (על־ארבע כנפות al ‘arba`kanpowt) of your cloak with which you cover.

Isaiah 11

12 And He shall lift up a banner for the nations, and shall gather the outcasts of Israel, and gather those dispersed from Judah, from the four corners ( מארבע כנפות me arba` kanpowt) of the earth.

It is obvious that the world is not square or rectangular in shape, so then four corners is an expression that is used to define four points of an area. Just like four points on the semi circular bottom of a garment or robe.

Below are some Scriptures that clearly illustrate that it could not be a modern tallit, that are found in the New Testament, in reference to Jesus:

Mark 6

56 And wherever He went into villages or cities or fields, they laid the ailing ones in the markets and begged Him if only they may touch the fringe of His garment <G2440>. And as many as touched Him were healed.

The above passage says that they laid them. In this position they could easily touch the tsitsit at the bottom of the robe as Jesus walked by, but in order for them to touch a tallit, it would have to be 12 ft long, or else He would have to bend over. Here is where the Scriptures get even more definitive:

Matthew 9

20 And behold, a woman who had a flow of blood for twelve years came near behind Him, and touched the fringe of His robe <G2440>.

21 For she said within herself, If only I shall touch His robe, I will be cured.

22 But turning and seeing her, Jesus said, Be comforted, daughter; your faith has healed you. And the woman was healed from that hour.

Luke 8

43 And a woman being in a flow of blood from twelve years, who had spent her whole living on physicians, and could not be cured by anyone,

44 coming up behind she touched the fringe of His garment <G2440>. And instantly the flow of her blood stopped.

45 And Jesus said, Who was touching Me? And all denying it, Peter and those with Him said, Master, the crowds press on You and jostle. And do You say, Who was touching Me?

If she came up behind Him, Jesus would have to be wearing a modern tallit backwards In order for her to be able to access the tsitsit. It is evident that she was behind Him, as He did not know who had touched Him, and He had to turn and see her. I think that it is clearly evident from Scriptural sources that it was not a tallit like those worn today that Jesus was wearing, but tsitsit on the bottom of His robe as commanded in Scripture.

The Greek word used in the passages above (himation) <G2440> occurs 61 times in the NT text. Let’s take a look at a few of the other ways it is used:

Luke 22

36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that has a purse, let him take it, and likewise his bag: and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment <G2440>, and buy one.

Was Jesus instructing him to sell his holy garment (tallit) and buy a sword?

Mark 10

49 And Jesus stood still, and commanded him to be called. And they called the blind man, saying unto him, Be of good comfort, rise; he calls you.

50 And he, casting away his garment <G2440>, rose, and came to Jesus.

If this was in fact a talit as some have claimed, I am wondering why Jesus did not scold the blind man for throwing his holy garment on the ground. It also begs the question of how the man saw the fringes to remind him to keep the commandments as stated in scripture.

Matthew 21

7 And brought the donkey, and the colt, and put on them their clothes<G2440>, and they sat him thereon.

8 And a very great multitude spread their garments<G2440> in the way; others cut down branches from the trees, and spread them in the way.

Would they throw their tallit over a donkey, and also throw them on the ground, and would Jesus be approving of that?

Some Hebrew roots teachers have tried to point out that the Scriptures speak of burial garments, priestly robes, and mantles that point to the fact that many first century Jews, as well as others in the region, wore shawls which could have possibly been a tallit. One article by a Hebrew roots teacher stated that Jesus had a tallit wrapped around His head when He was prepared for burial, and that was why it was neatly folded when it was found in the tomb by His followers after He had risen. Let’s review these claims:

John 20:7 And the napkin<4676>, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.




Thayer Definition:

1) a handkerchief

2) a cloth for wiping perspiration from the face and for cleaning the nose and also used in swathing the head of a corpse

Part of Speech: noun neuter

A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of Latin origin

As we can see, the word used is of Latin origin. There is no possibility that a Jewish person would use a tallit to clean the nose and wipe the face of the deceased.

Here is the Greek word for robe:




Thayer Definition:

1) an equipment

2) an equipment in clothes, clothing

2a) spec. a loose outer garment for men extending to the feet, worn by kings, priests, and persons of rank

Part of Speech: noun feminine

A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4724

Citing in TDNT: 7:687, 1088

Here are some of the definitions of mantle:

In reference to Elijah:




BDB Definition:

1) glory, cloak

1a) glory, splendour, magnificence (of a vine, shepherds)

1b) mantle, cloak made of fur or fine material

1b1) prophet’s garment

Other references to mantle:




BDB Definition:

1) rug, coverlet, thick coverlet

Part of Speech: noun feminine

A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H5564

Same Word by TWOT Number: 2269a




BDB Definition:

1) robe

1a) a garment worn over a tunic by men of rank

1b) a long garment worn by David’s daughters

1c) a garment of the high priest

There is a specific Hebrew word for shawl, but unfortunately for those who are trying to force the definition of a tallit into every Hebrew word that describes any type of clothing; this word is only used to describe a shawl worn by women. It is not used in any of the passages that they reference as being a tallit.




BDB Definition:

1) wrapper, shawl, veil

Part of Speech: noun masculine

A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from an unused root meaning to wrap over

Same Word by TWOT Number: 1946a

Total Occurrences: 3

veil, 3

Gen_24:65, Gen_38:14, Gen_38:19

If we use their eisegetical method of finding a text and then forcing a meaning, then according to their logic, the “rag” described in the passage below could then also be a tallit, as well as any carpet or piece of cloth spoken of in the Scriptures:

Isaiah 64

6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousness’s are as filthy rags<H899>; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.




BDB Definition:

1) treachery, deceit

2) (CLBL) garment, clothing (used indiscriminately)

Part of Speech: noun masculine

A Related Word by BDB/Strong’s Number: from H898

Same Word by TWOT Number: 198a

In the days before the time of Christ, the Holy Spirit fell on some people for a time, but was not indwelling. At that time the tsitsit were an important reminder of the Declarations or Commandments of God, to keep the children of Israel from going astray. After Christ ascended He sent the Holy Spirit, so now a Spirit filled believer has the Declarations or Commandments written on their heart.

Hebrews 8

10 Because this is the covenant which I will covenant with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord, giving My Laws into their mind, and I will write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.”

The Book of Hebrews was written to the Jewish people who had accepted Christ. Through the Book of Hebrews, they had now been given the understanding that the need to look upon an external device to remind them of their transgressions had been shifted to the heart/mind (conscience), because that is what now convicted them of their sin and transgression. A believer that is filled with the Holy Spirit does not need to wear a modern tallit tied with the gematria of the rabbinic 613 with white fringes, or tsitsit that are white, or white with a blue or purple cord, because the Law is now written in their hearts/minds.

I will end this with a quote from an article by a popular Hebrew roots author:

“This garment the Tallit of the Talmud and modern Judaism, was spread as a sign of reverence over the head of a Jewish man when he prayed over a body in the grave. The purpose was that the person might “appear white before God” as similar understanding of purity, white garments, and reverence may be seen throughout both Testaments.”

The Scriptures tell us that only the shed blood of Jesus Christ is what makes us appear sinless and white before God, and not any “Holy garment” as designated by men. To state differently is a false teaching that not only goes against Scripture, but mocks the finished work of Christ.

Revelation 7

13 And one of the elders answered, saying to me, These, the ones having been clothed in the white robes, who are they, and from where did they come?

14 And I said to him, Sir, you know. And he said to me, These are those coming out of the great tribulation; and they washed their robes and whitened them in the blood of the Lamb.

15 Because of this they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His sanctuary. And He sitting on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them.

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